The Russian Diver: It ain’t Russian or Swiss?

May 31, 2010

FOR years, Invicta watches labeled SWISS on the dial have been touted as Swiss Made. This has been claimed by the leader of the pack, Eyal Laylo, as well as minons, like Michael “Fuckin” Davis for as long as i can remember.

A watchgeek.net member has opened up a caseback of one of the Russian Divers labeled ‘Swiss’ only to discover that the movement was stamped “CHINA” as well as “Far East Asmbly”. The movement did have a Swiss made battery though – a fact sarcasticly noted by watchgeek members.

Surely this violates FTC rules? One wonders why products are not vetted to ensure that they conform to their pedigree and description – isn’t that why ShopNBC has a horological expert like Jim Skelton on the staff? This on the heels of the faulty Speedway with the bunk movement; the SANIII with the bad screw design and the cases with mold, whose design just happens to be the subject of a heated copywrite infringement debate.

How long is ShopNBC going to continue to be associated with defective and now, possible trade violations of the Invicta Watch Group?

I think it’s funny – Jimblo Skelton himself has attacked me when I pointed out that the Invicta story line on the Russian diver has changed, but it’s true. When first introduced, it was a near identical homage to real Soviet era divers that had been kicking around eBay for years and Eyal tried to claim that Invicta designed it! Who would want a watch that proports to be Russian in origin anyway with Swiss on the dial?

Lame.

I guess those Invictards are finally getting their just rewards. Keep listening to what the people in the talking picture box and not those of us who have been around and know the truth.

As of the time of this blog, there has been no response to the thread on watchgeeks.net from either Invicta or their towelboy, Jim Skelton.

(A shoutout to Lies All Lies for the lead)

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61 Responses to “The Russian Diver: It ain’t Russian or Swiss?”

  1. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    The really sad part Betterskills, some are still sticking up for them over on the Watch Geeks.

    These fools have been snookered, bamboozled, lied to, taken for a ride, deceived, hoodwinked, scammed, swindled, conned, burned, gypped…. Don’t they get that?

    My God, they should be called the Watch Geek -Davidians.

  2. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    Actually scratch that, from hence forth the Watch Geeks shall be referred to by me as “Invicta-Davidians”.

    HAIL LAYLO!

  3. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    Sorry to keep posting on different replies Betterskills, feel free to condense them all into one. It’s just the more I think about it, the more I have to say on this matter.

    If I was Shop NBC I would seriously examine this situation and be prepared to make some hard choices in the face of revenue.

    This is a big issue, obviously Invicta has outright lied about the pedigree of their “Swiss” labeled watches. Also it appears they have “shucked and jived” importation regulations too. Shop NBC is now culpable as well being the vendor who passed along fallacious information for sales. I honestly hope some form of lawsuit or penalty is levied on Invicta for this. They have played fast and loose with too much stuff to keep getting away with it.

    TV shopping networks have a notorious reputation for pumping crap, this certainly only reinforces that. Shop NBC is trying to rise above that as the luxury shopping channel, if that is truly how they want to identify themselves then it is time to say audios to Invicta and their hand picked host Jim Skelton, as well as nepotism hire Michael Davis.

    As for the Invicta-Davidians, your salvation is only an interest free value pay away you rubes.

  4. jr Says:

    Watchgeeks get what they deserve. They trust a chubby,rockabilly shirt wearing ape who almost broke his jaw from his sub sandwich addiction. Invicta should say mid life crisis on the dial because all their customers are going through one.

  5. Mikey Skelton Says:

    This is something that could seriously come to haunt Eyals reputation depending on how much play it gets but it is correct that ShopNBC does hold some responsibility in the false advertising and dubious sales of the merchandise in question.

    Something that the Federal Government should seriously look into. Heck if they can look into steroid use is sports they can most assuredly look into false advertising of watches on ShopNBC.

  6. Hal Says:

    I love the fact that the pompous Meijin is cowering in a corner somewhere! He hasn’t posted on the thread that exposed Invicta as a fraud. I think the three douche bags (Davis-Skelton-Nayth) are in full crisis mode. One of their biggest defenders, Flyback, is now on the warpath against Invicta! The other Juggalos (ie 50mm, Captain68, strutn45) haven’t posted the usual defense tactics. In fact, betterskills was right on the money when he noted that the fanboy website would eventually become a liability to SNBC. If sales collapse for Invicta it would definitely be the end for Hobo Davis and maybe Skelton as well.

  7. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    Well, no one is talking from Invicta or Jim himself on this issue. But Jim has posted he is getting their new 65mm monstrosity and many of the Invicta-Davidians are back on board and waiting in anticipation. No info is known about this freakish satellite dish of a watch, but hey, it’s 65mm!!! Does this watch make my ass look fat?

    Rubes.

    As for the subject at hand, still no information. I don’t suspect we will get any either. What can they say? Admit they were mistaken (PC way of saying lying scumbags)? I doubt we will see that. Try some fake ass spin job that will get blown through in no time and just make matters worse? Nope, I suspect the gag order came down directly from Eyal on this.

  8. betterskills Says:

    The Invictards are easily distracted with giant, shiny objects. It seems as though some watchgeeks on the thread are gonna jump on Senator Koimaster’s plane and escape Laylo Town.

    It’s going to be interesting to see how Flavor Flav’s neck clock translates on the wrist. Me; I think this is the begining of the end as this piece is just going to look re-goddamaned-diculious. Couple that with the Swinese revelations and other duds the past few months. I think the gravy train is at the end of it’s run.

  9. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    I think the gravy train has long left the station Betterskills. Notice the sellouts for Invicta are just not there anymore, have not been for a long time. Just more and more pumping and dumping to the blowout distributors. Mix in the long laundry list of fuck ups and problems, the disproved marketing spin lies time and time again, and now selling counterfeit Swiss goods. I hope Invicta takes a beating for this. They deserve a beating in court for lot more but hell, Capone went down on tax evasion. As long as the scumbags go down I guess.

  10. krane11367 Says:

    better,

    How could this NOT be the end of the run? I mean, honestly; the run-down of this year’s debacles alone should have been enough, but now more and more watches are being cracked open to reveal what they really are worth – not a hell of a lot.

    But then again: Isn’t Invicta’s shoddy business transparent enough? Just the other night, Lalo was blatantly lying once again about an older model watch that he ‘worked with’ another watch company with. The Russian Diver..the Speedway with the 7750 DD problems, which they are trying to blame on DD…on and on and fucking on….they have no quality control, no customer service, no prestige – Invicta is pure shit from top to bottom.

    And yet the WGs can’t figure it out! They sit and masturbate and wait for the “big brown truck” and then have to pray and hold their breath as they open the boxes, many times receiving the wrong watch, a broken watch, or a plain dud. And still, they defend the brand to the seeming death, as if admitting Invicta is garbage would ruin their lives.

    My final point: Every woman I know thinks Invicta watches are ugly, crazy oversized, and as one put it, “That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen.”

    Not as stupid as the crazed neanderthals that buy ’em – you know, the types who hear “65mm” and start flailing at themselves.

    By all rights, this should be the end – for Sausage Fingers, for his and Lalo’s Bobo, and for Invicta.

    Bet it ain’t, though. After all this is America, land of the stoopid.

  11. Mikey Skelton Says:

    Ahh yes the wicked and awe inspiring Sea Hunter. A wicked 65mm of pure horological wonderment upon your wrist.

    Hurry now Jimmy Skelton, hurry and get pictures of that monstrosity so that all the Geekdom can ooogle it and jiz all over themselves saying how much they have to have it and how badly they want it all while you try and take the heat off of the latest couple of Invicta F’ups.

    Yep a different style of spin mode by Invicta. Just like a lazer pointer and little stupid kittys … its all really just an hilarious joke. I would love to see Jimmy take the back off the watch and also do some really kewl movement pics but it will probably say “Swiss” on the front and have a Chinese movement inside.


  12. ShopNBC item #: J176920

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    Posted by Mykal Dave-a$$ on WatchDweebs.net…
    “When Invicta puts Swiss Made on the dial, it means that the guidelines set forth by the Swiss Federation have been used in the production of the watch.

    When Invicta puts Swiss only on the dial, it means that the guidelines set forth by the Swiss Federation have been used in the production of the watch.

    When Invicta uses the phrase Swiss Movt, it indicates that the movement in the watch is a Swiss Made movement, but the production of the watch does not follow all of the guidelines set forth by the Swiss Federation.

    When Invicta uses the phrase Swiss Parts Movement, it means that a movement (usually from companies like Ronda, ISA, etc.) containing Swiss parts have been used and is generally been produced/assembled in a non-Swiss country.

    This has been discussed numerous times here and also on the shows that have aired for the last several years.

    So, for Invicta, when we use Swiss or Swiss Made, it means the same thing. That being, that the watch was produced using the guidelines set forth by the Swiss Federation.”

  13. Hal Says:

    Shop has removed a video where Eyal states the watch in question is all Swiss. Geeks are pissed that no one youtubed it before they removed it. The drumbeat is sounding on this thread for an answer. People are even bashing Davis for being clueless on the issue of Chinese movements seeing on how he’s the all mighty tech brand mgr! Skelton, Davis and Lalo are in a jam I doubt they can squeeze out of….but geeks are an awfully gullible lot so who knows??

  14. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    Well seems Shop NBC made some hard choices alright, and they chose to protect their sacred cow in Invicta. Videos from airings on products were posted as examples and *poof* magically they are gone. I suspect they have several people going over descriptions, videos, and various verbiage to remove and modify in an effort to whitewash this.

  15. Mikey Skelton Says:

    All ya really have to do is watch last nights shows. They were once again explaining all the Swiss and Swiss Made verbiage again with all the 50% of this and that and where its made and inspected and what it all means.

  16. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    Eyal had a statement posted through one of his employees.

    ——————————–
    I have been asked to personally clarify the confusion with the markings on the watches. I feel I have a confident and open enough relationship with our customers to make a clear statement and get this matter clarified once and for all. While I know that it is impossible to satisfy everyone, it is our commitment to keep a top level relationship with our very loyal customer base.

    There is a definite gray area in the use of the words “Swiss”, “Swiss Made”, “Swiss Movements”, “Swiss Parts”, “Swiss Components”, and “Swiss Registration”. The fact of the matter is that, like in many “multiple-component” products, where the country of origin adds value to the product, we tend to highlight that.

    A perfect example is the auto industry. You might buy a Mercedes that is manufactured in Mexico using German engineering, some German parts, etc. The brand focuses on highlighting their “German” standards. Much in the same way, the watch industry does when Swiss is present. Without mentioning brands, it is important to understand that Switzerland almost produces NO watch components except parts associated with the movements, and assembly. What this means is that if you bought a $6000.00 Swiss Made Chronograph from “Brand X”, what you are likely buying is a watch that houses a Swiss Made movement (And even the movement components themselves have their own complicated breakdown value. For instance, even if a movement is “Swiss Made”, it does not mean every part in the movement was made in Switzerland, only a given percentage of that ) and the watch was assembled and tested in Switzerland. We do the same, and hopefully that brings clarity to everyone that when we mark a watch “Swiss Made”, you are buying a Swiss Made watch with a Swiss made movement, that is assembled in Switzerland.

    Then we get into the way we use the word “SWISS”. The the word “Swiss” was used on watches as a description for a watch using a movement with Swiss part Origins. This includes movements that are bought from SWISS COMPANIES, with SWISS ENGENEERING, that are tested in Switzerland, but has components that are sent off to the Far East for cost purposes to be assembled. Examples of these are ETA, Ronda, ISA, “Far East versions”. They were developed to assist in delivering the consumer more value, on an otherwise identical item. Today, the word Swiss is used on watches that are very inexpensive, because the brand used a Swiss Movement Far East assembly version. Yes as companies we do call more attention to this than the fact that the movement is assembled in China, but that’s marketing.

    Then there is the talk about the Swiss Federation. I cannot speak too much into the Swiss Federation standard because it is a private foreign entity, not a law dictating body, and we do not belong to it for a variety of reasons I prefer not to go into. I respect companies developing a stamp of approval and charging for it, such as COSC, but to be part of a group that develops standards on watches based on the direction of the “big players” in the watch industry, and attempting to apply them to smaller companies without giving them a fair chance, is a monopoly, and I am strongly against that.

    I make this statement on a personal level, and hope that it can bring some level of clarity to this discussion.

    Sincerely,

    Eyal
    —————————————–

    Really Eyal? A “grey” area? There was no grey area the hundreds of time I have heard Jim, Michael, Jill, Tim, Shawn, Daniel and yourself claim the watch being presented with only Swiss marked on the dial was sold as being a Swiss Made time piece. Hell Eyal, in your case you usually billed it as “All Swill Made”.

    I will give him some credit, at least he replied to this and he did finally admit the truth that cheap shit Invicta’s with Swiss on the dial use these China movements. Of course he tap danced all around it with superfluous car analogies, his thoughts on the Swiss Federation, etc… before finally hitting that subject, but still no admission of guilt for outright lying about it for years now.

  17. Koimaster Says:

    I will be posting a video of the claims it is swiss in the next few days at youtube. Eyal has posted his explaination at geeks.

    Hot off the press from the man himself!! More BS if you ask me, read at your own risk………

    Today, 08:54 AM
    TeamInvicta
    WatchGeeks VIP
    Senior Geek Join Date: Mar 2008
    Posts: 173

    Statement – by Eyal

    ——————————————————————————–

    I have been asked to personally clarify the confusion with the markings on the watches. I feel I have a confident and open enough relationship with our customers to make a clear statement and get this matter clarified once and for all. While I know that it is impossible to satisfy everyone, it is our commitment to keep a top level relationship with our very loyal customer base.

    There is a definite gray area in the use of the words “Swiss”, “Swiss Made”, “Swiss Movements”, “Swiss Parts”, “Swiss Components”, and “Swiss Registration”. The fact of the matter is that, like in many “multiple-component” products, where the country of origin adds value to the product, we tend to highlight that.

    A perfect example is the auto industry. You might buy a Mercedes that is manufactured in Mexico using German engineering, some German parts, etc. The brand focuses on highlighting their “German” standards. Much in the same way, the watch industry does when Swiss is present. Without mentioning brands, it is important to understand that Switzerland almost produces NO watch components except parts associated with the movements, and assembly. What this means is that if you bought a $6000.00 Swiss Made Chronograph from “Brand X”, what you are likely buying is a watch that houses a Swiss Made movement (And even the movement components themselves have their own complicated breakdown value. For instance, even if a movement is “Swiss Made”, it does not mean every part in the movement was made in Switzerland, only a given percentage of that ) and the watch was assembled and tested in Switzerland. We do the same, and hopefully that brings clarity to everyone that when we mark a watch “Swiss Made”, you are buying a Swiss Made watch with a Swiss made movement, that is assembled in Switzerland.

    Then we get into the way we use the word “SWISS”. The the word “Swiss” was used on watches as a description for a watch using a movement with Swiss part Origins. This includes movements that are bought from SWISS COMPANIES, with SWISS ENGENEERING, that are tested in Switzerland, but has components that are sent off to the Far East for cost purposes to be assembled. Examples of these are ETA, Ronda, ISA, “Far East versions”. They were developed to assist in delivering the consumer more value, on an otherwise identical item. Today, the word Swiss is used on watches that are very inexpensive, because the brand used a Swiss Movement Far East assembly version. Yes as companies we do call more attention to this than the fact that the movement is assembled in China, but that’s marketing.

    Then there is the talk about the Swiss Federation. I cannot speak too much into the Swiss Federation standard because it is a private foreign entity, not a law dictating body, and we do not belong to it for a variety of reasons I prefer not to go into. I respect companies developing a stamp of approval and charging for it, such as COSC, but to be part of a group that develops standards on watches based on the direction of the “big players” in the watch industry, and attempting to apply them to smaller companies without giving them a fair chance, is a monopoly, and I am strongly against that.

    I make this statement on a personal level, and hope that it can bring some level of clarity to this discussion.

    Sincerely,

    Eyal

    http://watchlords.forumotion.net/the-invicta-forum-f28/are-the-videos-and-other-stuff-about-the-invicta-rd-chinese-swiss-watch-being-scrubbed-t2414.htm

  18. Vicki Says:

    You can delete my last post as I posted without seeing Lies post. BTW last night they were showing a mid size SAS with just SWISS at the 6 and never once dud either Mike or Tim mention the watch’s provenance. Maybe they’ll stop saying SWISS = Swiss Made.

  19. krane11367 Says:

    OMFG.

    Lalo simply double-talked, some of the WGs said “Wow, do I feel better!” and he’s just gonna hope this all goes away. Guess what? Not this time.

    You can add Eyal Lalo to names such as P.T. Barnum, Vince McMahon, Kenneth Lay, Bernie Madoff, Bill Gouldd, Kevin Trudeau, and dozens of others as the greatest snake oil salesmen of all time, masters of the money grab, envied by only the dumbest of the dumb.

    The sound of metal clinking around his wrists would be only too good for men like Lalo.

  20. Vicki Says:

    Jim was supposed to be back on Monday. I guess his jaw is still hurting not to mention his career on TV hawking watches!

  21. Chief86 Says:

    Chiefy-Poo86 here, maggots .

    You all disgust me.And that thread that you are elooding too is about to die !I have been instructed by Herr Jimmy-poo to send in the shock troops !So even as you numnuts dribble about Der Fuhrer Eyal and the glorious Invicta Reich,strutn45,RipItRon,nycruza,and 50mm&up have been dispatched to disrup the thread and give me a plausible excuse to shut er down !

    Soenjoy this debacel while you can maggots ,cause it,ll be gone most ricky-tick !

    At you were maggots !

  22. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    The words of the charismatic connoisseur of watches, Michael Davis.

    ————————————————–

    This is going to be my only comment on this subject…

    Regardless of what anyone on this site says, the information that I provided regarding the usage of “Swiss” and “Swiss Made” was information that I fully believed to be accurate and correct as well as information that was passed to me. I have, in the past, gone out of my way to ensure that I only imparted accurate information to Invicta and SNBC customers. Personal attacks as well as attacks against my honesty, character and integrity aside, I have never once passed along information that I knew to be wrong or even that I thought might be wrong.

    If anyone doubts the above, use the search tool on this site. In the 26 months that this site has been active, I have stated exactly the same thing that I have said on air. That happens to be 16 months longer than I have been working for Invicta. As a matter of fact, for those that have been watching the shows on SNBC, you will note that exactly what I have said here on the subject is exactly what has been said on the shows for the last 6 years. Which just happens to be 5 years and 2 months longer than I have been working for Invicta. Again, the information that I presented was what I thought to be correct and what had been communicated to me. If anyone here feels misled by me, then you have my apologies. I can only present to you that which I think is true.

    For those that wish to continue with the attacks, I am glad that I have spent a few thousand of hours of my life to give you the platform to do so.

    ——————————————

    So as we all already knew, your title of “Technical Brand Manager” is meaningless. You have no hand in any technical aspects of the building of an Invicta watch. You have nothing to do with any brands other than hawking them on TV and stating what is on the little blue cards. As for manager, who or what do you manage? Nothing! Your title should be Invicta Broadcast Sales Representative.

  23. krane11367 Says:

    Notice that never Davis or Lalo came out and answered the real question: WHAT THE FUCK ARE CHINESE MOVEMENTS DOING IN WATCHES THAT SAY ‘SWISS’?

    Both danced around the big question, of course.

    Total, abject frauds. What a sad couple of rip-off artists.

  24. Chief86 Says:

    LISTEN UP MAGGOTS ! Chief86 here ,,,

    As you can see, I am weelding my super mod powers of BIG PURPLE FONTS on this retched blog now,so don,t try anything funny .

    My band of Merry Men and Me (NO,WE,RE NOT GAY) was able to shut down that AWFUL TREACHEROUS thread over at the Axis of Awesome,and put to bed those SLANDEROUS LIES that were posted about Invicta/Eyal/Jim/Swinese movements .

    Everone that posted in the thread is on my watch list ,and I WILL be cleansing The Board of all the lesser geeks who dared to question Dear Leader.

    Soon I will create a MasterBoard of only PureGeeks loyal to the Axis powers of INVICTA, SHOPNBC, AND WATCHGEEKS !!!

    As you were,maggots .

  25. krane11367 Says:

    One mo’ thing: Our faux Chief here was right! They’ve locked up the “Swiss” threads, of course without directly answering the question I posed above. Poor Bobo has his feelings hurt. Hey, gambler, ya gotta know when to fold ’em.

    If there was any justice, he, Lalo, and Gorda should be off Shop in a flash. Of course, Babe The Talking Pig (or was that Mike The Talking Bar Rag?) will fly first.

  26. betterskills Says:

    It’s over – Lalo admitted that Swiss is not Swiss Made. The few cheerleaders that keep posting “I don’t care that my Swiss watch has a Chinese movement”

    “Enough already!”

    “Who cares! Invicta sells us watches that are way discounted!”

    “It’s fine – it’s marketing!”

    Those voices are not enough anymore – no one is buying it. Those people are either really stupid or they stand to lose something.

    I don’t think they are dumb.

    If it’s being the king dick swinger with people that refer to themselves as geeks; than that is fucking sad. If it’s something else it is pretty friggin’ greasy.

    I just either watched Shawn Wilsie either give his own eulogy or celebrate the reality that somthing big with talk like, “I’m retiring Stealthy” and “Brian – there’s a 12 pack in my trunk – help yourself!”

  27. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    My God the motives of the mods and Invicta-Davidians who dare not question the Emperor’s new clothes are so transparent.

    Step one, declare that from here going forward only questions for Eyal will be permitted. As if Eyal was going to come on the thread and ever answer them. For Christ sake he had his response posted second hand to begin with!

    Step two, send in the most devout Invicta-Davidians like RipitRon, 50mm&up, nycruza, strutn45, Chief68, etc…. to come in and stir up the thread again.

    Step three, close thread.

    That thread was one of the most civil discussion I had ever seen over there, especially considering the subject at hand. No, the admin wanted that thread done and they could not just make it disappear like they have made other touchy threads in the past do.

    Sorry, that was a little too convenient that after they declared only questions for Eyal, the Invicta-Davidians posted within minutes of each other back to back. Hell Chief68 is a mod himself and could not even abide by that rule!

    See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil will merrily continue on in the land of the geek. After a few days of lockdom and it gets buried, I fully expect that thread to disappear. Then if this topic ever comes up again those threads will be locked down, the mods/admin will say this has been beaten to death and never ends well and to use the search.

    That is their Modus operandi.

  28. betterskills Says:

    I don’t see how Invica is going to rebound. They are going to have to really go back to basics. Looking at what’s very probably a Swinese Invicta RD for $148.14 – what’s that get me in an SO? How about an Android? People are going to do just that. And for most people, knowing that Invicta was deceptive and what went on at watchgeeks which is now documented all over the web; why would you give Eyal money?

    People do have short memories and those that don’t, want to be decieved. But in the short term for sure, those are gonna be rare consumers.

  29. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    I agree Betterskills, it is obvious that Invicta as of the first of year was trying to go back to higher profit margins with the economy showing signs of rebounding slightly to be positioned fully when the economy got better.

    Model after model coming out with problems, a lawsuit over the diver boxers for taking Platicase’s samples and sending them to China for rip-off, now this revelation that their claims of Swiss = Swiss Made that these models did not even have so much as a real Swiss Movement is just the final straw for many.

    Time to lower the floor again on prices to bring in a new crop of suckers.

    Invicta in general is the black sheep of the horology world. This however makes them the laughing stock. The brand will never be taken seriously by anyone other then a Watch-Geek.

  30. krane11367 Says:

    Lies,

    As usual, you nailed it. Ever go to New York City? The 5th Avenue area? The best jewelry and watches shops in the world? These prestige shops don’t carry Invicta, they wouldn’t dare…

    …except for Tourneau, where the employees openly complain about their lack of QC, after-sale horrors, and horrible watches, and shove the brand in the basement of the Watch Gear annex with the cheap stuff. I’m with betterskills…I think a shitload of damage has been done this time around no matter how hard they try to sweep it under the rug. Someone here called Invicta a “glorified drug store brand.” Personally, I’d rather go to Rite Aid and spend $9 on a John Weitz than ever give Invicta a penny of my hard earned dollars.

    I mean, it’s getting silly now. I’m not totally against ShopNBC, because I think Croton, Android, SWI, and Stuhrling offer some pretty cool stuff at affordable prices. It’s the transparent marketing ploys that Invicta uses, from the phony MSRPs to Gorda’s twisted tone to the clearly deceptive claims, that started my rancor – and their poor quality and Swiss-marked watches that are actually Chinese should send the WGs away one by one.

    But that won’t happen, of course. I see their “national WGs” day is coming soon. I can only picture it; it’ll look like a bukkake video, but a 100-man seed dump would have been more tasteful than watching mokes with 55mm clocks on their wrists comparing Crapvictas.

  31. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    Who cares about 5th Avenue? The famous politician/actor in California wears Invicta!

    In all honesty, I don’t think Invicta makes all crap. I think in the sub-$150 range they make a pretty good product. Of course now Android and Sturhling are coming on strong to compete for those same dollars, and frankly they are breaking new ground with some interesting designs. Invicta on the other hand is just rehashing the same stuff over and over, different dials, colors, and straps on the same old stuff.

    Plus Invicta now has another big problem, not only is the competition on Shop NBC getting fierce but now Seiko, Citizen, Victorinox Swiss Army, Wenger, and Bulova have all found their way to the deal of the day sites too. Any of those brands above exceed Invicta quality at any price point in my opinion.

    Their reputation is mud and their products are notorious now. Interesting times ahead for Invicta.

  32. Mikey Skelton Says:

    What is sad is only so few know of all this.

    Seriously WG’s is a tiny speck on the ass of the watch world. As long as its kept quite on WG’s everything will be just fine.

    Now what needs to happen is people need to start calling the testimony line each time an Invicta product is on and ask the hosts live on the air about the Chinese movements in the Swiss marked watches that Laylo, Davass and Miss Somerstein and all the ShopNBC hosts that commit consumber fraud when they sell them.

    Yep … WG’s is a fun place to watch and laugh at but nothing will ever happen til the word is out on the street and when ShopNBC decides it is now an issue, only then will Skelton, Davis and Invicta be canned.

    Why do you think Jilly got herself a fiancee, she see’s her paycheck coming to an end pretty soon so she wants to be sure she is taken care of.

  33. betterskills Says:

    Invicta is small in the world of horology but I tend to believe that nearly all of WG members, perhaps 99%, are there from Skelton’s SNBC plugs or through word of mouth from WGs that sold it, as well as SNBC, to their friends. I’ve read somewhere a speculation that WG members make up 20% of all Invicta sales. I’d bet that number is substantially higher – maybe double that or even more. Thus, the latest series of failures with the Swinese revelations risks to seriously impact SNBCs image as WG has only served to further damage SNBCs faultering image.

  34. Mikey Skelton Says:

    You need to look at the current FoolishGeek numbers.

    Members: 25,740
    Active Members: 6,441

    Heck they cant hardly even keep 25% of there membership as active readers.

    Watch Geeks is a small pimple not even on the butt cheek of sales for Invicta. WG’s is really just a place for all of them to sit around and think they are something special and important and that they think they have a place in the horological world of Invicta collecting when in all reality and all facts they are just a bunch of fools who really are no more important to Eyal Lalo, Jim Skelton and Michael Davis than the dishwasher at the Waffle House who will clean there dishes after there done eating there super special breakfast and dreaming of there next Invicat Flop they are going to buy.

    Yeah … your right … there numbers are huge and they are the driving force for Invicta sales and decisions.

  35. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    I am the one that estimated 20% sales of Invicta are attributed to the geeks. Betterskills thinks higher. He is probably right, my estimation is just a number I pulled from my ass on a hunch. Why do I believe 1 out of every 5 Invicta watches sold is purchased by a geek? Let’s look at the situation in detail:

    Shop NBC is by far Invicta’s largest avenue for sales. Possibly one of the best avenues for profit margins.

    Invicta pays the bills on the Watchgeeks, this is well documented not just by Koi but confirmed by Jim and Michael themselves. Why would Invicta cough up the money to foot the bills over there? Their love for the horology world? More like their love for the suckers who keep buying their busted shit at the geeks.

    Eyal hires Michael to be Invicta’s primary face on Shop NBC, their largest avenue for sales. Is it because Michael is so charismatic? His deep knowledge of the horology world? His charming personality mixed with his sales experience? His visual appeal? Nope. He was hired as a tool to cement even more sales from the geeks.

    Eyal has addressed the geeks (albeit 2nd hand) every time a potential big issue arises that might impact sales from the geeks. Lupah Reserve, DD Speedway, the kits, the Swiss debacle, etc… etc..

    If the geeks were not even a pimple on Invicta’s ass none of this would have happened.

    No, the geeks are a far bigger source of revenue for Invicta then any of us can probably fathom.

  36. Mikey Skelton Says:

    Ok … lets look at some conjectured numbers.

    If my memory is somewhat foggy I think I have heard on the air that Invicta sells well over a million units a year. Now if we say that WatchFools are 20% of Invicta’s business a year that would mean that they would purchase 200,000 watches a year which would equate to each active member of FoolGeeks buying 30 watches a year which there is very very few doing that.

    The Fools are very small and I mean very small in there sales numbers. They may think they are all mighty and powerful in what they think they are but they are really nothing but a blip on the sales screen for Invicta.

    They are though probably a higher percentage of sales for ShopNBC so there is the fine line of keeping the Freaks happy and buying which puts Laylo, Skelton and Davis into the pickle … keep em happy and buying from ShopNBC and Invicta or piss em off and overall watch sales drop because they got pissed and then Laylo looks bad, Skelton looks even more foolish than he is and Davis gets canned because he is no longer needed.

    Yep … the all so powerful WatchGeeks are really much more powerful than any of us realize, not.

    Hey Skelton since your reading this I know who some of the CF members are who will be in Minneapolis next weekend for your little event. Time to pay some serious back debts to who you’ve stolen from … should be interesting for you.

  37. betterskills Says:

    Before Invicta made it to ShopNBC, their only real market was South America. If those numbers are real, I’d suspect that a smaller percentage of the total sales make up US sales driven, primarily, through ShopNBC. The only retail I’ve them in are JC Penny and membership clubs. I think SNBC makes up the majority of US sales and as I stated back in October, Skelton has managed to drive the majority of those buyers to Watchgeeks and tying his brand to SNBC. All of these recent failures, missteps and revelations are now tied from Invicta to SNBC through WG.

    I think it was Q4 (might have been Q3) last year that saw one of the leading drivers of revenue that quarter to be an Invicta TTV. That suggests to me that it was a big revenue generator for Invicta.

    Invicta’s sucess is tied to SNBC.

  38. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    Mikey, the flaw in your premise is you are taking the 1 million plus number of sold watches per year claim at face value. As we have witnessed time and time again Invicta and Jim are not exactly the authority on honesty.

    Rolex who we all know is by far number one in sales of timepieces worldwide, is speculated at producing between 700K and 800K annually. Rolex does not release their numbers, however that is the best guess based on Chronometer certificates issued to them.

    If you believe Laylo’s claim he would by far be the number one watch company in the world.

  39. Mikey Skelton Says:

    All I’m saying is that the Freaks think that they are far more important to Invicta and ShopNBC than they actually are to ShopNBC and Invicta.

    The Freeks are really nothing and both Invicta and ShopNBC would survive if they went away. The revenue that Invicta would lose would equal Mikey Davis’s salary and Eyal would let him go to recoup that loss almost instantaneously.

    Skelton would be … well I will just say it in terms Skelton will understand since I know he is reading this but he would be treated like a Bahia in the FirePit. Oh what fun he will have come the National GGT.

  40. betterskills Says:

    We’ll have to agree to disagree Mikey. I believe the majority of Invicta sales are those dickweeds on WG that buy every dial version of a particular model. I think a lot of the geeks got so jacked off because they bought the (not)Russian Swinese Divers – one for each day of the week. I know that some of those TTV’s that feature a couple of different dial colors used to sell out because one just wasn’t enough.

  41. krane11367 Says:

    Gents,

    I kinda have to side with betterskills on SNBC being a powerful sales tool – and that WGs really means something. Look at it this way: Stuhrling Original basically uses SNBC and Amazon and just a couple of smaller sites to sell their products, and that’s about it. Renato is available through SNBC only. SNBC must sell a shitload of watches. Therefore, it only stands to reason that, say, if WGs makes up only a smaller percentage of Invicta buyers, it has to stand as a key demographic.

    A demo of dweebs, to be sure, but a key demographic nonetheless. I think that the odds of WGs lasting another three months are about the same as, say, that 55mm guy actually talking to a female. Doesn’t look good!

    I can’t imagine that Lalo would continue to pump even the small amount of money that site must cost (those chat boards are quite inexpensive, no matter what Mike The Talking Bar Rag would tell you) to continue to reveal what shit he sells. Wouldn’t it make sense to close it so the fan boys can only cry alone in their mother’s basements instead of out in public (somewhat)?

  42. Mikey Skelton Says:

    If WG’s is as important to Invicta’s sales as you say they might be then that place will never be shut down and Eyal Lalo will never let Skelton be taken off the air at ShopNBC … what a double edged sword that is.

    Time will tell and if/when Skelton gets taken off the air you will see WG’s die the death it deserves and at that time … it will be proven that either my conjectures or others are accurate.

    Has anyone seen that on the BIG HUGE National Geek Together that Jimmy has announced he wont be around for the Friday night little meet and greet and the local watering hole but he will at least be around for an hour or 2 on Saturday becaause he doesn’t want to overstrain his jaw. I would think his jaw would be fine by now especially when they are talking about putting him back on the air come just Tuesday night.

    Skelton you aint gonna be around Friday night cause your CF friends are gonna be there but dont worry some have signed up and last count about 7 or 8 are going to be in the room with you on Saturday so be sure to bring what you owe some of them.

  43. betterskills Says:

    Mikey,

    There was definetly a synergy between Invicta/Shop/WG that was at one time an asset but it has now become a liability. I’d venture so far to say that some of their recent management moves, specifically in their online strategy, are a direct result of WG success. But with flop after flop lately from Invicta, the last place network looks like they are the Ames of homeshopping. Now SNBC’s rep is tied to Invicta through WG. I think the writing has been on the wall for WG – you cannot possibly work for a network like Skelton does and be the public face, yet treat people the way tht he has on a public forum that he owns. What business is going to go for that? Especially on that I trying to rebrand and change it’s image as a purveyor of junk?

    The other watch vendors have been coming in stony as I late – there used to be a perception that Invicta was a superior product because nearly everything was Swiss as opposed to Swiss movements in Chinese cases, like Android and Croton. But now EVERYONE who has even a passing interest in the brand is aware that the Swiss Invicta’s are the same thing – they actually seem chessy now because it’s Swinese yet marked Swiss – really no different than an Alpha or any of the other brands that an eBay serch for “automatic mechanical” returns. I wouldn’t be suprised if Invicta’s days are numbered at the network.

  44. krane11367 Says:

    better,

    Wow, funny you should mention that. You’re right; I just did that last week. I typed in on eBay “mechanical men’s watch” and up popped the Alphas and Goers and all the rest, at prices around $13 a pop and up, give or take a buck.

    I’d rather have an Alpha than an Invicta, that’s for damn sure. At least if I ordered an Alpha, I’d be going into it with my eyes wide open, knowing exactly what I was getting. When a person orders an Invicta from ShopNBC, he or she is told it’s this or that, and too often, it’s none of the above. And that’s ridiculous at best, and practically criminal at worst.

  45. krane11367 Says:

    OMG..apparently, a WG wrote to Dubois-Depraz about the Speedway debacle – and the guy from DD said Invicta never even bought the movements from them!!! This is TOO good! More pure lies from the Invicta team!

    Naturally, the thread was closed as of the time this is being written, but:

    ————————————-
    Re: Dubois 2021 & Invicta fiasco
    From: Christopher Becker

    Ccadubois@dubois-depraz.ch, emetzger@dubois-depraz.ch
    Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 02:17
    Dear ,

    Thank you for your e-mail. As a matter of fact, I received a call about this from someone in New Jersey just last week.

    We are currently investigating what has happened here, and can clearly state the following:

    1) Invicta has never purchased a movement or module from Dubois-Depraz. We have had sporadic contact in the past, but to date no movement has ever been supplied to them.

    2) The 2021 has been made by the hundreds of thousands, and “opinions” notwithstanding, we have never heard from any customer for this movement regarding the types of problems you have described. After hundreds of thousands, we think we would have by now if there were actually issues.

    3) Since Invicta is not a customer of ours, we have no idea if the movements alluded to are in fact genuine DD modules or not. We have seen “duplicates” of our modules in the past (sadly, not bad ones, either), and if they are such, Invicta may very well not even be aware that they are, since they have never had the real thing to compare it to. If they are genuine, we do not know how many hands they passed through before they arrived at Invicta, and what treatment they were subject to.

    4) We have contacted Invicta Watch and requested not only their reaction to your e-mail, but also 5-10 samples of cased watches with the modules to determine their origin (see 3) above) and initial sales point (both of which we can do). As you and your members are surely also aware, the casing procedure itself is very delicate and can de-regulate a chronometer-grade movement as well as cause damage to components, such as dials and hands, if done improperly.

    5) Obviously, the President of Invicta has not had, nor would he have reason to have had, any “loud conversation” with Dubois-Depraz since he is not even a customer. I would be very surprised if he or anyone from his company publicly blamed DD for something of that nature as claimed; it is not his style as I have known him.

    Any person making the types of claims you have mentioned in your e-mail should be advised to be very sure of their information, and the veracity of any information, before making pejorative public statements, especially on a national network.

    You may feel free to post this response on your site, and we appreciate your keeping us informed of these events.

    Kind regards,

    Chris Becker
    Business Development Manager–Americas
    Dubois-Depraz SA

    ————————————————

    http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php?t=111022

  46. krane11367 Says:

    It’s only getting better…the mods at WGs are banning thread after thread about this latest travesty…more than one member contacted D/D, and virtually EVERYTHING THAT LALO, DAVIS, AND GORDA EVER SAID about the movements, and later the problems with the Speedway, are utter, total bullshit.

    On top of it, WGs are questioning now if their movements are actually D/Ds – well, they were, cuz the mods are feverishly canning threads left and right. Davis made a post claiming, somehow, it’s all WatchLords site’s fault:

    (Posted by George The Watch Guy):

    ++++ Message from Michael ++++
    Unless some one has a documented email from DD & Not copy & pasted alleged email taken from a WG hate site, owned by a Deranged, obsessed & Maniacal Banned member, the threads & posts will be taken down, until there is an official reply from WatchGeeks..

    Thank you for your cooperation.

    —————————————

    So now our lovable TV hosts are simply reduced to name calling, blatant obfuscation, and, well, anything it takes to cover their asses. Now they’re using the ruse that the original response was copied and pasted from Watchlords, when in reality the original post was from an active WG member.

    I’m so glad I was born with gray matter; I could see this crap coming a year ago. What a bunch of scumbags virtually everyone involved with Invicta seem to be! Yes, betterskills…even the WGs, the dumbest bunch of rubes ever assembled, are getting the drift. It’s about fucking time! Serves ’em right; they’re fans of pure shit. Love dem value pays…I’m actually starting to feel sorry for some of them…wait, no, I’m not. I hope a few of the more idiotic simps are really eatin’ it right now.

  47. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    Yep. Karma is a motherfucker!

    I think it would behoove DD to source one of these watches to discover the movements origins. Then if some one who has the videos of the airing can send them to DD for review, you know the ones where Eyal talked about how “exclusive” the movement is, how special you have to be to even get them from DD, etc….

    The hits just come weekly now, the house of cards is not just collapsing, the cards are melting in front of our very eyes.

  48. krane11367 Says:

    Well, now someone posted on Watchlords that someone allegedly contacts D/D and claimed that the original email was a fake on the WG site – but now that post has been deleted as well. And some other WG reposted the original email.

    And so it goes…what a great way for a reputable, upstanding business to run itself. If these fools simply put out a good product at a fair price, they’d have no image problems at all…well, that and the fact their watches are as tasteful as wearing a pink Izod shirt and striped pants with white shoes, but that’s a whole other issue. All in all, things can’t be more sordid.

  49. Chief86 Says:

    Attention maggots !

    I would be banning and disappearing threads personally,if I wer,nt at the GGTG in Eden Prairie.As it is,my good friend and lover GeorgeTheWatchGay is handling the situation fabulaously .

    That alleged statement by my other good friend and lover,Mike,was unfortunatley premature and has been removed at my direction.Mike was in high spirits when he made that statement to GeorgeTheInformer,and as soon as he sobers up,another,better-skilled statement will be issued .

    Now that I have that mess cleared up,I wish to address the fraudlunt letters that are floating around about these DD modules and the so-called responses from DD :LIES ALL LIES !

    Jim,Mike,and Eyel would never decieve anyone about these DD modules.This is not like the Plasticase sanfu,where Eyal had these cases copied by a chinees mfg from original samples,these are REAL DEAL DD modules obtained directly from DD’s Shanghai offices.I,ve personnallyy seen the order contract and even though my chinees isn,t perfec,I no enough to reconize that is was ligitimmate.

    The bogus emails originate from a nown hater sight formed from banned members at GW.so just ignore the hate and believe in the truth,and that is from Jim,Mike,and Eyal .

    And me .

    Anymore talk about this illicit affair and I will personnallyy ban everyone hear !

    At ease,maggots .

  50. krane11367 Says:

    Now the original WG has posted with the title “My D-D Email is Genuine; There Must be a Logical Explaination!” after someone posted a seemingly phony post that the DD letters were made up. Things are being deleted left and right, of course.

    Sad. I mean honestly, how sad is all this. Not to mention weak.

  51. Chief86 Says:

    Chief86 here again maggots !

    Just as an a side,I see that my comments hear at this retched blog are always awaiting lenghty moderation .

    This is appalling !

    All my posts are already pre-approved and authorized by the owners of WG’s, of whitch their is no higher authority !

    I am also a moderator at said pre-eminent watch sight and therefore should be excempt from moderation !!!

    What kinda place are you running hear ?

    AT EASE !

  52. Fuzzy Wabbit Says:

    The back peddling has begun. Now that the letters from DD have been verified as real, Skelator is bailing and telling everyone he has no knowledge of what’s going on. Laylo will handle it with Becker from DD. Hell just call Rebbecca she’ll take care of it. You can’t buy entertainment like this.

  53. krane11367 Says:

    Even S. Fingers has noted now that the response from D/D’s rep is legit. Yet another WG (named omitted here out of respect) has gotten a new response from D/D. It’s amazing how low EL will seemingly go..I mean, this is just mind-boggling. I hope that D/D follows up to the fullest extent of the law; the posting:

    —————————————————

    To all of you who have taken the time to write me and confirm both the nature of the situation and my initial reply to it, I thank you on behalf of myself and Dubois-Depraz. I did write the response many of you have seen and asked me about.

    I was made aware of this situation by a phone call from someone in New Jersey, some 7-10 days ago. The information was somewhat hazy, but the fact that we were being accused of something involving Invicta was startling to me since we have no business relationship with Invicta.

    I have confirmed this on three occasions with the owners of Dubois-Depraz, a family I have known for many years and who are considered the finest independent watchmakers in Switzerland who do not have their own brand–and therefore, no axe to grind. They work for virtually everyone in the Swiss and German watch industries.

    I can confirm the following:

    1. There has never been a sale of movements from DD to invicta. Invicta is not a customer of our company that we know of.

    2. There has been NO communication between Invicta or any known–or appropriately identified–Invicta representative with DD. No movements have been returned from ANY source, and none are scheduled to be returned.

    3. DD has assumed NO responsibility for any faults, claims or other issues supposedly advanced by Invicta, or anyone else acting in their name.

    4. If someone else–especially an already registered customer–has purchased our modules and resold them to Invicta, they are reponsible for any issues which may arise. I am the only official purchase conduit for any US address, and Invicta has never done any business with me or any official DD representative.

    5. Duplication has been a serious problem in the watch industry fior some time and has affected the biggest names in the industry down to component suppliers. These duplications are so good in some cases that even the original manufacturers themselves have to look twice–and sometimes even three times–to determine if the components are truly theirs or not. We have encountered the same issue in the past. We cannot fault a customer for not knowing if the movements are truly DD or not until we see them ourselves.

    What we, for our part, find interesting is the following:

    1. Claims have been made on Shopnbc that DD is guilty of a variety of issues, that Invicta has been in contact with DD about said issues, and that DD has assumed responsibility for said issues. No one at DD has any knowledge of such issues, claims, or supposed contacts.

    2. On 5/27, claims were made by Shopnbc purporting to be the supposed mouthpiece of Invicta for the aggrieved buyers, and that negotiations were being conducted with DD, and that movements would be returned to DD for complete rework. No one at DD has any knowledge of any of these claims. All of this information is hearsay unless proven by a statement by Invicta or Eyal Lalo.

    3. Yesterday evening, Friday, June 11, I personally received an e-mail from Eyal Lalo saying that the issue had already been resolved, and that the hands were the problem.

    4. I have not, to date, seen, or been referred to, a direct and supportable statement by Eyal Lalo directly, or anyone else from, Invicta, that DD was ever suspected of any problem. All of the information I have heard has come from Shopnbc. If anyone has any evidence of such statements from ANY Invicta representative, either in video, written, or other form, I would like to see them as quickly as possible.

    Until such time as we have proof of statements made by Mr. Lalo, we must assume that this entire issue originated at Shopnbc. For whatever reasons this may have been done–possibly a publicity stunt–rest assured we will take appropriate action to protect our reputation against anyone who assails it.

    Thank you for your interest in watches, movements and the industry in general. You are, absolutely, the people most important to us.

    With my kindest regards to all of you,

    Chris Becker
    Business Development Manager Americas
    Dubois-Depraz SA

  54. Chief86 Says:

    Listen up maggots !

    A lot has happened in the last few hours and we have decided to make some changes in tone at WG’s .

    Instead of ban, delete, repeat, we are letting the threads run.It,s NOT because we have been advised by counsel that deleting these DD threads shows we are complicit in fraud and the subsequent cover up,but because we are nice people .

    As proof,Jim even put his tongue in my ear and whispered lovingly that I should not unleash the shock troops,in fact he specifically told me not to let the ususal suspects disrupt the threads in any way.Unfortunately,stutn45 went off the reservation and did it anyway,so he,s on a time out.

    He,s throwing quite a hissy fit about not being able to post crying baby pictures in threads,and I thnk he,s a bit of a cry baby himself-a side I must admit I hadn,t seen before.What a little bitch !

    Anyhoo,Eyal is going to set the record straight tomorrow,put DD in there place,and Jim and myslef can drop the consiliatory tone and get back to being awful prats and sexual degenerats like olde times.

    Jim,s such a cuddly teddy bear,and I just love bears !

    As you were,maggots .

  55. Mikey Skelton Says:

    Oh what a tangled web they weave when when they try to deceive.

    Seriously it is time for that entire DD issue and the hole Swiss/Chinese things to be brought to a lawyer for class action suit against ShopNBC and Invicta.

    Invicta made the claims and ShopNBC took the money for the claims they made, they are partners in crime.

    Now as soon as ShopNBC becomes involved because of what one of there vendors has done you will see the relationship instantaneously sour if not end between ShopNBC and Invicta and the days of WG’s, Skelton & Davis will be over.

    The question is who will be the first to file a suit on behalf of all the cheated customers?

  56. Chief86 Says:

    Chief86 here ,listen up maggots !

    As I stated yesterday,as soon as the word came down from on high,we would drop the consiliatory tone and go back to business as usual .

    Well,Jim has the word and it’s a dozzy !

    I cannot divulge as I am under a gag order,which is to say Jim has ordered me to do something that makes me gag,but his wish is my command !

    So,as things are back to normal at WG,s the nasty thread is locked,and the bannings will continue until morale improves .

    It,s good to be the queen !

    As you were,maggots !

  57. Mikey Skelton Says:

    Lets see now its after 10pm in Switzerland, its after 3pm in Illinois where Mr Becker the US Rep for DD is and there is still no response anywhere at all from Eyal Lalo.

    Interesting how Jimmy Skelton has been informed of the truth now by Eyal but Eyal still has not done what he said, oh wait how does anyone know he has said anything because it was Skelton who told everyone that Eyal would tell us the story on Monday but he didn’t say which Monday.

    Maybe Eyal will post his story later tonight and we could all have somebody read it to us as the ferry tale bedtimey story it will be.

    I seriously would love to know just how ShopNBC’s legal department feels about this whole entire issue, even the accusations of this type and others should be enough to have serious thoughts about the future of this vendor.

    Eyal … where is you? Are you flying right now 2 days early to Invictaville Switzerland to set the record straight with the powers at DD? When ya going to tell the world the truth?

  58. Chief86 Says:

    Chief86 here,maggots !

    Well,Jim is napping after his happy ending,so I am assuming my gag order is finally over .

    While Jimmy-poo didn’t give me express permission to share, he did let a few things slip in the throes of splendid agony,and I feel 150% confident that he won,t mind me revealing that the DD modules are absolutely confirmed authentic !

    He muttered a few other sweet nothings before he passed out,but I really coudn,t understand very well,,,something about “Not from DD,,,,originally purchased by Breitling,,,,defective,,,,Invicta brokered purchase of 2400 through third party,,,,used 500 to repair 1900,,,,assembled in Thailand,,,err,,,Switzerland,,,,” but I don,t know what any of that means .Could just be his usual BS after he pops.

    Well,I need a shower,and a cuddle,so,,,,

    At ease,maggots !

  59. krane11367 Says:

    Well, the hardiest, dimmest WGs are praising to the high heavens: OH GLORIOUS DAY! It turns out that the D/D movements are legit, and Mr. Becker of D/D confirms this. However, on another site, an email from Becker also confirms that Invicta didn’t buy the movements from D/D; looks like they’re grayer than Skelton’s pate before applying two coats of Just For Men. We’re now waiting for a joint statement from D/D and Crapvicta (supposedly).

    Of course, this didn’t keep many of the WGs, most of ’em dumber than fence posts, from saying to JS the usual “thanks for renewing my faith in Invicta” – but as always forgetting a few now-confirmed facts:

    1. The watches didn’t work and were pure shit
    2. They claimed on the air that just obtaining movements from D/D was an honor and prestigious and la de dah, when in reality, D/D never did business with Invicta
    3. S. Fingers’ pair of posts – the ones that said Eyal Lalo had been in contact with D/D, that it was the D/D movement’s fault that the watches were crap, and that Lalo had had “loud conversations” with D/D – were utter and complete bullshit, if Becker is to be believed, and there’s certainly no reason to doubt his word.

    The usual Invicta Dog & Pony/Smoke & Mirrors Show continues, the dweeb Geeks keep buying it (somewhat), and the rest of the rational world is wondering how a group of people can be so fucking stupid. I have no grudge with most of the WGs, but loser morons like moderator George, Flyback and 50mm&Up are walking advertisements for birth control. This shit is getting so hard to take; from this point on, someone else has to post WG garbage because honestly, I can’t deal with their idiocy anymore. I just can’t get on the same special class bus with WGs any longer; I didn’t set out in life to mingle with, as The Three Stooges so eloquently put it, “the lowest strata of society.” It’s like continually visiting a mental hospital because the snack bar has good cake; it’s not worth the aggravation.

    One last point: Loved the many photos of the NATIONAL WATCH GEEKS GET TOGETHER! Uh…aren’t watches jewelry? Wouldn’t you dress well to attend such a thing? No way…there they were, en masse, the yellow-teethed, cargo-shorts sporting, stained sweatshirt-wearing, quality-challenged WGs, proving once again that Invicta is indeed the “most fashionable watches ever bein’ gave.”

    To quote a famous WG.

  60. LIES ALL LIES! Says:

    BWHAHAHHAHA! Yeah those Subaqua Noma’s and Venom’s sure looked smashing with those trucker caps, “It’s not gonna suck itself” T-shirts, and New Balance sneakers.

    The Men’s Warehouse needs value pays I guess!

  61. Mikey Skelton Says:

    I honestly thought it was Jim Skelton who said that Eyal Lalo would be making a pubic statement on Monday June 14th 2010. Instead Jim Skelton makes a brief commentary on the problem under the direction of Eyal Lalo and still nothing from Eyal.

    Once again failed promises made by Eyal and Jim. When will failed promises ever end?

    Lawyers need to delve deeply into this entire issue with lawsuits indicating fraud by ShopNBC, there hosts and by Invicta. Only then will it all stop.

    So far all that Invicta has done is made it to the supposed top of horological sales but has also become the poster children as to why television shopping has the reputation it has.


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