WITH today’s announcement of Renato spinning off their own forum, renatogeeks; and internet TV show, can we expect the world of TV Horology to collapse under it’s diversified weight?

ShopNBC used to be the defacto place to buy brands whose retail presence was secondary to their late night cable appearances on ShopNBC. Fans regularly phish for new products, gaining bragging rights on the WG town square. Filling the huge, empty hole in their souls with easy Value Pays and products selling for a 10th of the retail value.

Watchgeeks.net was spun up by a green ShopNBC host who used it to aggregate all of those dispirit fans who routinely got into pissing contests on other forums defending the Invicta brand – this was a fruitopia for those collectors and addicts; both vain and broken.

This model worked well for awhile, like Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney. But then Invicta, who appears to have financed the site for many years, was no longer the king. Invicta quality started to wain and they began replacing the stuff that made them a value and viable brand – using coated mineral crystals and replacing stainless with polymers. Lior of SWI got into the game around this time. Where once he pushed brands that he actually owned the licensing agreement for, like Triumph and Jacques Lemans, he wanted to compete head to head with Invicta and so introduced Swiss Legend. These were “Swiss Movement” watches and Laylo loved to point out that all of his “Swiss” watches were the best value – because they were made in Switzerland. This occurred as better quality Chinese made brands were introduced (Android) and Invicta was beset by one scandal after another; caught lying about materials and having to admit that “Swiss” was actual Chinese.

The one commonality with all the TV brands is that they own no factories. They are a brand with designers who outsource it’s manufacture to the lowest bidder. I’ve seen TV Watch brand fans laugh off Fossil. But brands like Invicta are not even in Fossils league. The company actually takes a lead in quality and works with the suppliers at the manufacturing level to ensure the highest possible quality standards. Go to your local TJ Maxx and compare the two sometime.

WHEN James “No Cut Contract” Skelton replaced Tim Temple, he brought an entirely new demographic to the world of Horology. The Coors Lite; riding motorcycles in shorts and flip flops crowd people who smoked cigars and left the rings on; that drank Chardonnay from a box while wearing shirts with the top 4 buttons undone. These were not watch idiot savants – they was plain fucking idiots.

I’VE suspected that WOW.TV was a reaction to the Invicta Swinese scandal. They had been at a competitive disadvantage with Invicta who was claiming to offer supposed Swiss made watches at the same or lower prices. Always subjected to the Invicta crew of Davis, Lalo, Jill and even Skelton implying that consumers were getting Swiss made. Having handled both Swiss Legend and Invicta, the quality is slightly higher in more of the SWI examples. Surely Lior had handled the competition and realized he was surpassing Invicta but always second fiddle.

By the looks of it, WOW is a success and they are pushing Invicta product as well; sometimes the same product as Shop but far cheaper. Their customer service is legendary and far surpasses the complaints with SNBC and invicta’s CS blackhole.

AFTER the Michael Davis sticky on watchgeeks throwing Daniel Mink under the bus followed a day later with a Mink email blast announcing the planned termination of the WG/Renato relationship and launch of Renatogeeks.com and RenatoTV, two of the five major TV brands are now representing themselves with a major web presence and streaming internet tv shows. Are the remaining few far behind? How will ShopNBC and Invicta fair? Where once it looked as if ShopNBC was becoming THE Invicta channel, they have started to introduce SkyMalls favorite brand, Stauer, as well as a higher profile for Android.

Another competitive factor is Jim Skelton and where he’ll end up in September. Could Android be the next to go solo with Jim at the sales helm pushing Wing’s dreams to the fiends? Or is he headed to JTV as some are claiming and what will that do for the trailer park network and how it competes with ShopNBC?

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WHILE it’s old news now, it is still funny that Invicta Technical Brand Manager Michael “Fuckin” Davis became so interested in the undelivered Renato tourbillons by posting the following missive on watchgeeks.net. Interesting when one considers that Invicta is planning on releasing their very own Chinese tourbillons. One has to wonder if Invicta is sourcing from the same Chinese source. Might Invicta actually be impacting the delivery of the Renato movements by paying to jump ahead of Renato? It’s interesting that Davis says that people should cancel their orders. When are those Invicta tourbillons slated for release?

“First off, I want to say that I am writing this message as the founder of WatchGeeks, one of the former owners of WatchGeeks and the current Administrator/Managing Director of WatchGeeks. My current position with Invicta has nothing to do with this post or this situation.

Let me re-cap the situation as I see it and know it:

#1. Daniel Mink offered for sale a tourbillon approximately 2 months ago. Based upon stories later concerning fine tuning the power reserve and now a glitch and glitches, one can only make the logical conclusion that he knew these watches were not ready to be shipped out. Since Daniel does not have his own production facilities, he certainly knew that he did not have them in his possession. At this time, no mention was made that this was an advance sale or that the watches were not ready for delivery or that there was anything amiss with the watches, glitches or otherwise. Credit cards were charged and money was taken from customers.

#2. A single watch was sent to Jim Skelton for promotion.

#3. When people begin to complain about delivery of their watches, Daniel indicated that 50 of them had been sent out already and that the remaining units were “coming soon”. It is often noted how odd it is that no one on WatchGeeks received one of these 50 pieces even though a large number of members ordered them.

#4. Around the same time as Item #3 above, Daniel indicated that what was happening with the watches was fining tuning the watches and in particular the power reserve on the watches.

#5. A voucher was sent out to those that ordered the watches as a bit of compensation to those that waited on the tourbillon and were experiencing the delays. Only problem is, the “fine print” included a stipulation that the use of the voucher would negate the ability of the holder of the voucher to cancel their tourbillon and get their money back.

#6. A member here posts that he spoke to Renato customer service at about the 4 week point and was told to expect another two months or so of delay on the delivery. A couple of other members then confirm this same timeline.

#7. At this point I contact Daniel directly to address the issue. He tells me that customer service never said this and that delivery of the watches was close. He was out of the country and it was late there. He told me that he would call me the next day and that an update would be going out on WatchGeeks.

#8. Daniel never did call me back. Or email me. Or communicate with me in any other way. He did make a post here a few days later indicating that the watches would be shipping to customers in approximately 2 weeks.

#9. It is now, as I write this, two weeks later and the watches have not shipped. An additional update has now been made indicating that there will now be additional weeks before delivery begins.

#10. In the update referenced in Item #9, references to “glitches” are now being made. A “glitch” is not tweaking the power reserve of the movement to get a longer reserve time. A glitch or glitches are problem(s) with the movement. Certainly not the excuse that was originally given as to the delay of the piece.

Bottom line, this is NOT acceptable behavior for someone using this site as a means to promote their site and the pieces they sell. We are now right at 2 months into a wait on these pieces. Only 150 were made. A competent watchmaker can build 3 to 4 tourbillons per day in a standard work day. I even went so far as to verify this with another vendor on this forum that has extensive experience building the exact same movement. Again, only 150 of these tourbillons were made. Do the math how many times a small team could assemble, disassemble and then reassemble these 150 watches.

If a member came on here and was selling watches and following the same steps as Renato, we would have banned them long ago. We have rules in place for our sales forum that prevents people from selling watches that they do not have and cannot send out as soon as the financial transaction is made. And we do not give members 2+ months to send the watches to the people that pay for them. Our rules (TOS) for the sales section of this forum are there to protect the sellers and the buyers. And while Renato did not sell their watches via our site, they did receive promotion via this site to facilitate their sales. I cannot help but feel that our sales TOS/rules apply at least in spirit to any vendor that comes here and uses this site to market their products.

It is my initial thought to ban Renato from this site. However, I don’t have the time to deal with this issue right now. I am on the eve of departing on a vacation combined with a birthday trip. It is my personal recommendation to those awaiting delivery of said tourbillon to cancel their order. While I may not be the biggest watch industry expert in the world, I have (of the course of two years in this industry) gained some level of expertise. I am completely and totally uncomfortable with this situation and how it is playing out. Something on many different levels is just flat out wrong. But, that is just my personal opinion. Officially, I will say that this issue needs to have a resolution by June 15th. If it has not been resolved, then Renato’s ongoing participation on this site is probably going to be gone. Again, we would not tolerate even the smallest part of the actions of Renato when applied to those using this site to sell watches. Whether handled incompetently or be it something else, this situation is just wrong on many, many different levels.

I know Renato has many loyal fans here. That is great. I became a fan of their brand and a customer of theirs shortly after they arrived at SNBC. At one point, I owned 30+ Renatos. For those that have been involved in the watch forums for a while now, they will remember that I was banned off of another watch site (where I had been an administrator) in large part due to my loyalty to Renato and speaking out on their behalf and defending them. And, I know Daniel and his partner personally. I have spent time with them in MN at SNBC as well as in FL. I do not take this decision lightly. But, I have to go with what I feel is right for this forum. No one is saying you can’t be a fan of their brand or their customer. But, if they wish to continue to participate here, then their actions must justify that ongoing participation. This tourbillon issue is not acceptable.

I will be in touch with you on a final resolution to this matter on or about June 15th.

Thank you for your time and for reading this very long post.”

Daniel Mink was made aware of the Invicta Technical Brand Manager’s comments and his response was:

“…it has been dealt with. You wont here from his dumb mouth again”

IN usual watchgeek fashion, the post is reported to have disappeared.

———-update 2:57 PM—————

It’s official; Renato is out at watchgeeks just like Skelton! Via watchlords.net:

“Renato Email sent this afternoon
======================

Dear Friend,

It is my pleasure today to announce to you three major milestones in our history that we would like to notify you about.

1. Renato Watches is no longer part of WatchGeeks.net

Renato Watches is no longer part of the WatchGeeks.net forum. This was a mutual decision as Renato intends to launch it’s own forum http://www.renatogeeks.com in thirty days. On this site, our loyal fans will be able to openly & freely discuss any topics regarding Renato Watches as well as be privy to brand new up coming designs, sneak peeks and etc. These are all things that we were not able to do onwatchgeeks.net for various reasons. Our forum will feature many exciting sections including one where members can display and trade/sell watches to other members.

While Renato is no longer listed on watchgeeks.net and our new forum is being created. Please feel free on the meantime to contact me via email (daniel@renatowatches.com) or facebook (Danielmink) with any questions you may have.

2. The Renato Affiliate Program

Over the past seven years, many of you have purchased many of our timepieces and have built significant collections with them. In lieu of this, you have become our best advocate and testimonial. Therefore, in the coming week, we at Renato plan to launch the Renato Affiliate Program (RAP).

With this program you will be actually earn money by simply referring our timepieces to your friends, family and associates. From then on, you can earn up to 20% of every purchase they make! Details will be sent to you next week on how to join and start earning cash.

3. Live stream Renato Shows

In the coming months, Renato Watches will launch shows online featuring myself along with special surprise guests from the watch industry to launch brand new collections. These shows will be streamed online at http://www.shoprenato.com.

In honor of these special events mentioned above we have decided to increase our current voucher promo TU770 from 20 to 27% off currently listed prices. This will be in affect for just 48 hours and then it will go back to 20%….

Make sure to take advantage of this window of opportunity and save even more money.

If you have any questions, please free to reach out to me via email (Daniel@renatowatches.com) or via Facebook(Danielmink).

All the best,

Daniel Mink
CEO
Renato Watches, Inc.”

Watchgeeks is slowly starting to look like myspace circa 2007…

LATE Friday afternoon, which allows for two days of no communication with Invicta headquarters, the much anticipated, eagerly awaited, joint Invicta Dubois-Dupraz statement was released after days of delay. In it we learn… uh, nothing.

THE first thing you notice is that there is no official letter head – not from either company or attorney.

NOW, on to the er, “substance” of the document. The first bullet states what is already know because it was verified by Mr. Chris Becker last week, that the movements are in fact legit. This blogger never called the authenticity of the movements into question because I know in the recent past, as ETA began to wind down it’s sales to non-Swatch Group brands, that it was a routine practice to procure movements from other watch companies. This speculation by some, I believe, was driven by Invicta CIO Eyal Lalo’s recent admission that watches being sold by Invicta and marked SWISS were actually Chinese. It didn’t help that he had been caught in his on air selling schpeal of the doomed Speedway Elite in complete lies; that Invicta had worked hand in hand with D-D on the watch. Once people began to receive their wrist size Titanics , he went on to issue statements through Igor – er, I mean Jim Skelton, that the issues were owned by D-D and that he was having “loud discussions” with them. All lies exposed by D-D Business Development Manager of the Americas, Chris Becker. Mr. Becker’s truthful statement that Invicta was not a D-D customer and the mention of the possibility that these movements could be knockoffs further stocked the fires of angry customers making Value Pays on a Thousand dollar doorstop. The joint statement confirms what the vast majority already knew; Invicta got them through a third party. While this is legal, I’m willing to bet whoever this third-party is won’t be sold D-D movements anytime in the near future as this practice is frowned upon by movement manufacturers and I’m willing to bet Laylo was real quick to name the source. There has been some speculation that SWI was the source but this is not confirmed.

Bullet two, that the issues are not related to the movement is also something that has been stated by Laylo, through his bitch, Jim Skelton as well as Chris Becker. This is old news – no new ground covered here.

The third point was also addressed previously, again by a Laylo statement through toad Skelton that a washer can correct the problem.

BUT what fans and haters were looking for was the cause. This is not addressed in the joint statement – it’s only purpose is to restate the facts that both Chris Becker pointed out and the confirmation that the movements are genuine. It absolves D-D of any guilt and lays the blame on a mysterious third-party. This final part of the final point reopens the can of worms regarding the supposed Swiss factories that Skelton has alluded to; that Laylo has mentioned and that Michael “Fuckin” Davis has ridiculed people over when they’ve questioned te existance of them on watchgeeks.

I’ll ask it again because the end all, be all statement failed to clear it up – where were these watches assembled and finished? Where were the faulty dials and hands made? I maintain that a Swiss manufacturing house would have never released pieces with these types of defects; but probably more realistically, they never would have had these problems, they would have known the nuances and tolerances. I think they tried to pull the assembly off in their Florida headquarters with components of Asian origin. I challenge(er) them to post the paperwork on watchgeeks and prove me wrong. If Invicta commissioned their manufacture in Geneva, Hong Kong – I’m still right because the dial says SWISS MADE! I really do not think Invicta cased these watches in Switzerland because all signs point to ineptness and a lack of technical knowledge,

There are several ‘Veteran’ and ‘Senior’ WG members piling on to threads over at watchgeeks with statements like “this puts it to bed” and “that clears things up” but it clearly doesn’t and if you think it does, you’re either too stupid to comprehend what you’re reading or you have a vested interest in sweeping this under the rug.

SO how will consumers react to this non-statement? Will they just pretend that this supposed ‘statement’ restating what is already widely known is sufficient and accept the ongoing lies, wasting their hard-earned cash on two or three Invicta’s of questionable origin and hit-or-miss functionality? Or will they buy one really nice Japanese, German or Swiss watch without issues and a solid pedigree?

I unfortunately missed Jim Skelton’s live return to TV after a month of no-shows due to one ailment after another. It’s been speculated by some that he got a “time out” from the network brass and I have to say, TMJ aggravated by bread seems unbelievable. In his absence, a lot has changed for Invicta, Watchgeeks and ShopNBC with Invicta CEO Eyal Laylo admitted that his Swiss labeled watches are in fact Chinese and the faulty Speedway Elite Reserves with D-D debacle, still without a statement from Laylo.

I’m up and watching the replay archived on shopnbc.com; only the first hour because the second is unavailable.

First, I find it odd that his lauded return was scheduled for 5 PM on a Thursday – hardly a time slot that the majority of the demographic are going to be around to see as most people are getting off work in the EST zone between the hours of 5 and 6.

The second strange thing is that he isn’t wearing his usual Guy Fieri castoffs – he is actually in a normal looking shirt and sport jacket and he was rocking the Sonny Crokett stubble ala Miami Vice circa 1986. He almost looked normal and his delivery is noticeably subdued. He made a few sexual innuendos but he managed to just rolls those out so as to not make them obvious; he didn’t dwell and he quickly moved on. I still think the guy is a scum fuck – it appears that he changed a sig file of a member of his forum to read “I like donkey seman” in Chinese, replacing the characters that the guy had used for “Swiss Made”. The fellow in question was a little more than ticked for being lied to about the provenance of the watches, being told that his Chinese watches were “all Swiss” ; he even went out of his way to defend Skelton on my blogs! For me the give away is Skeltblo’s response to the guy – “I guess humor is subjective” which is exactly the line he used on a knife forum that he was trolling during his first medical leave for the year.

As for Jim’s next three weeks, he’s only got 6 hours for the coming week. For the week ending 7/8, Temple is back with 6 hours to Skelton’s 5 hours.  And on the week ending 7/15 – they both have 9.

Will he appear on the schedule for July’s third week?

AS if throwing around rulers on set because he doesn’t know how to read them wasn’t enough, Jim Skelton decided to bring an Internet beef that he started to ShopNBC airwaves. On the Invicta Reserve Watches show from Monday, March 29, Skelton repeatedly made reference to a series of blogs that I’ve written over the past few months. Of course he completly misrepresented the argument in an attempt to simplify and ridicule.

“If a camera goes out out of focus for a second oh it means that Jim Skelton is leaving the show!” (32:25 in)

Uh, that’s not my opinion at all dipshit. ShopNBC let’s Temple go a few years back. Your ass kissing of Lalo results in his pushing for you to be hired.

Once you’re there for awhile, you launch Watchgeeks.com with the Invicta ‘Technical Brand Manager’ Michael Davis and another guy. You plug it on the air and your numbers swell. Any descent is met with insults and bullying. Threads are routinely deleted. You even attack a coworker, Shawn Wilsie as seeking to be a “martyr” and attention seeker. Those are your own words asshole, and anyone who has a login to WG knows it’s true!

You created and facilitate a marketplace on WG where these loyal ShopNBC buyers have the ability to purchase current SNBC merchandise, slightly used, at deeply discounted prices. In my original blog, I linked to an example of a Renato that is $400 less than one at the Shop. Your response was to take the sales forum from public to private. Am I “poisoning” peoples “minds” with untruths? Anyone reading this can sign up at watchgeeks.net and see for themselves by opening a ShopNBC browser and the WG marketplace in a second and compare the merch side by side.

How did you feel when you found out that Tim Temple was contacted by the new management team? How did you feel when he was finally brought back? It seems it was on his terms which is why he’s not an employee. And you apparently had to sit on that info. When watchgeeks was open to the world, I went back and found where you were alluding to a “Big Announcement” in August. That turned out to be Temple’s return announced in October. In your Jay Leno style response to the first article you mention that you had signed a new contract the prior week; the week of October 7, 2009. Those sources that I don’t have at ShopNBC tell me that contracts are either 9 month or 12 month deals. Which did you sign?

I’ll admit I was wrong; I thought you’d be long gone by now. Still under contract but off the air and gagged. How you like it. If my math is correct the week of July 7, 2010 is the nine month point and October 2010 is the year mark. You like to accuse me of back peddeling but the truth is that I based my speculation on what I would do if I were running the network. I’d keep you under contract so you couldn’t bad mouth the network but I’d most definetly bounce your fat ass out of the chair. My thinking was that management would be concerned with keeping the zombie buyers around. I’ll give you credit where it’s due; you have quite a few moronic fanboys and girls that think buying every dial/case/braclet of a particular model is watch collecting. You’ve also managed to get a lot of people to accept lackluster quality merchandise and used items sold as “New” with the same furvour and frenzy as religious zealots. I mean I’ve read WG posts where people bitch about getting a returned, worn item as new, complete with scratches. The responses always include other members attacking them fir complaining ; paraphrased as “You should be glad you got one!” Any readers of that original blog from October can see that you do have a hold on some people by looking at the comments. Kudos to being a hero of the stupid.

But the bigger picture appears to be more straight forward. You’ll be there until your contract is up, be it 9 months or 12. We both know you won’t be re-signing. Your shitty attitude, double entendres, sexual innuendo, questionable history and bluring of the line between watchgeeks, Invicta and ShopNBC is a liability for the network and your social network usurps the imitative that ShopNBC is attempting to implement.

Instead of trolling knife forums and causing trouble you really should have memorized the English measurements that coorolate to the most popular metric sizes associated with the watches you present, especially if you cannot use a ruler. Hmm – am I reading to much into this? Maybe you don’t care because you’re not coming back.

Tell the world which contract you signed – the 9 or the 12. Prove me wrong.

The facts are as clear as that George Michael beard on your face: Daniel Green did take a swipe at you; Shawn Wilsie has disassociating himself from your site – on the air and on Fb. Seven minutes into Monday’s show linked above you backhandedly say you watched all the shows but Temple’s while getting that major surgery that kept you away from watch geeks but not from trolling knife forums. And both you and that half-a-retard looking Davis always drop Tim Temple’s, “I’m just sayin” catch phrase as an inside joke between the both of you. Ha, ha, ha – that’s so funny. Nobody picks up on it, ha, ha, ha. You even do it on WG posts by signing it! Stevie Wonder can see through it dumbass! Am I really “reading way too much into things” or are you so stupid that you don’t realize how transparent you are?

I’m just sayin’…

Dead Pool

March 23, 2010

The Jim Skelton Dead Pool continues as more interesting developments have taken place over the last few days that further contrast the apparent behind the scenes issues at ShopNBC

Daniel Green took an apparent swipe at Skelton about 53 minutes into the final hour of his Invicta stump while he sat opposite Michael Davis. Mr. Davis talked about the ability to dress up the Russian Diver being offered – describing it with Daniel Green’s suit. He then went on to talk about pairing it with a Polo shirt and jeans to dress it down. Daniel Green interjected: “Black velvet, felt shirt – ha, sorry, if you just joined me, I’m being… naughty…” To which Michael Davis replied after a pause, “No comment.” Precisely the hideous Vince Vaughn cast away that Skeltbo was wearing during his last show.

Stranger yet is Shawn Wilsie terminating his affiliation with watchgeeks.net both on his presentation and his Facebook page. Skelton’s response implied that Wilsie was trying to be a “martyr” and seeking attention.

I’ve speculated for quite sometime that the production staff had no love for In Cognito. Apparently his fellow hosts don’t either.

And you’d be right!

Just in time for Jim’s triumphant return to ShopNBC, I can provide a rare glimpse into his recuperation. A glimpse gleaned from my stats.

If we’re to believe the narative, Jim’s recovery was long and painful. So much so that he temporarily closed the Ask Jim forum and couldn’t spend much time on the watchgeeks site. But miraculiously, he was able to troll the blade forum and make a lot of new friends.

A few of the members are over the top but than so is his bloviating.

#1
jskelton
For those that don’t know, you can’t buy a regular Blackhawk model of anything. Not holster, not knife; not anything. You can only buy a BLACKHAWK!model, which must include the exclamation point.
And as such, you are required to walk up to that store associate and scream into his face “BLACKHAWK!” when making any product inquiries. Do keep in mind where the line is drawn.
Incorrect:
“EXCUSE ME, I NEED TO FIND A NEW BLACKHAWK KNIFE THANK YOU!”
Correct:
“Excuse me, I need to find a new BLACKHAWK! knife. Thank you.”
While some may find this unneccessary inclusion of an exclamation point into a product’s name annoying, those of us who know real marketing genius and comedy share the same seat at the back of the short bus, have a certain appreciation for it.
So now BLACKHAWK! is set to introduce their new ambiguous line of knives called BLACKHAWK? and they should be hitting store shelves soon.
Not sure if you want a combat fixed blade or a tactical folder? BLACKHAWK? is your answer.
Not sure if you want an assisted opener, speed assist, locking assist, or automatic? BLACKHAWK? is your answer.
(( Not sure if this belongs in General or Whine & Cheese? Edit is your answer. ))
BLACKHAWK? The answer to a question nobody asked.

#2
Yesterday, 02:27 PM
Sharp Phil
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Posts: 7,340
Quote:
Originally Posted by jskelton
For those that don’t know, you can’t buy a regular Blackhawk model of anything. Not holster, not knife; not anything. You can only buy aBLACKHAWK! model, which must include the exclamation point.
And as such, you are required to walk up to that store associate and scream into his face “BLACKHAWK!” when making any product inquiries. Do keep in mind where the line is drawn.
Incorrect:
“EXCUSE ME, I NEED TO FIND A NEW BLACKHAWK KNIFE THANK YOU!”
Correct:
“Excuse me, I need to find a new BLACKHAWK! knife. Thank you.”
While some may find this unneccessary inclusion of an exclamation point into a product’s name annoying, those of us who know real marketing genius and comedy share the same seat at the back of the short bus, have a certain appreciation for it.
So now BLACKHAWK! is set to introduce their new ambiguous line of knives called BLACKHAWK? and they should be hitting store shelves soon.
Not sure if you want a combat fixed blade or a tactical folder? BLACKHAWK? is your answer.
Not sure if you want an assisted opener, speed assist, locking assist, or automatic? BLACKHAWK? is your answer.
(( Not sure if this belongs in General or Whine & Cheese? Edit is your answer. ))
BLACKHAWK? The answer to a question nobody asked.
I don’t think the trolling tone of this post is appropriate for “General.”

#3
Yesterday, 02:28 PM
jskelton
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Posts: 73
Wow… really?
Trolling? Hardly. It’s called h-u-m-o-r……….
Look it up

#4
Yesterday, 02:34 PM
Sharp Phil
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It wasn’t particularly funny. Your post would be more appropriate in “Whine and Cheese.” It is ill-suited to General Knife Discussion.

#5
Yesterday, 02:44 PM
jskelton
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Sorry, humor is subjective… that’s the point of it.
I’m glad you’re here to help me out, but it is a general knife topic, and not a complaint.
Not my 1st rodeo partner, I own a forum that is far more active than this one
>> Betterskills note: Look at that tone, “I own a forum that is far more active than this one”

#6
Yesterday, 02:47 PM
Sharp Phil
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Join Date: Feb 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jskelton
Sorry, humor is subjective… that’s the point of it.
I’m glad you’re here to help me out, but it is a general knife topic, and not a complaint.
Not my 1st rodeo partner, I own a forum that is far more active than this one
What about it makes it a general knife topic? It isn’t one.

#7
Yesterday, 02:47 PM
J85909266
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Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,502
It was actually hilarious, and I loved it. 8/10
It should be in W&C, though. You will most likely being getting hit with an infraction in general.

#8
Yesterday, 03:13 PM
pinchfoot
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Don’t know about the W&C thing.
If you can’t express some dislike, what makes you think expressing delight is OK?
Well…

#9
Yesterday, 03:18 PM
longbow
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Location: Rochester N.Y. USA
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I didn’t understand the post at all and didn’t find the humor in it either? So someone splain it to me ok. keepem sharp

#10
Yesterday, 03:23 PM
pinchfoot
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Posts: 10
J, splaim him, one word or less…
>> Betterskills notes” Hmm. All for Babe the Blue Skelton and just joined in the same month with 10 posts…

#11
Yesterday, 03:30 PM
FortyTwoBlades
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I thought it was funny.
But also think it belongs in W&C.

#12
Yesterday, 03:31 PM
jskelton
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Posts: 73
Thanks guys.
Ok, maybe a mod could move it to W&C then? My apologies for mis-classification

#13
Yesterday, 03:47 PM
nevermind35
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Pretty funny stuff… I always thought BLACKHAWK! was a stupid name too.
Hopefully it will get moved to w&c though and away from the “NO FUN ALLOWED!” crew.
Last edited by nevermind35; Yesterday at 03:52 PM.

#14
Yesterday, 03:51 PM
Maikutis
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Ha! Funny post. I agree with the marketing comment.
Too bad for the kill-joy.

#15
Yesterday, 03:54 PM
SHADOW84
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I think BLACKHAWK should make a tactical Smatchet…

#16
Yesterday, 03:55 PM
Sharp Phil
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As opposed to what, a utility smatchet?

#17
Yesterday, 03:58 PM
SHADOW84
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It was a joke…. lighten up dude

#18
Yesterday, 05:21 PM
Esav Benyamin
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Well, there ya go! I knocked out the line that didn’t fit in the General Knife Discussion, but the rest of the thread just keeps on going downhill. Stay on topic and keep off each other’s backs. Laugh, joke, cry, decry lousy advertising … wait, what does this have to do with KNIVES? It’s about a knife company. Different creature altogether. Whine & Cheese it is.
Since the OP owns a forum that is far more active than this one, I hope he’ll understand.

#19
Yesterday, 05:28 PM
TyMathews
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jskelton
Sorry, humor is subjective… that’s the point of it.
I’m glad you’re here to help me out, but it is a general knife topic, and not a complaint.
Not my 1st rodeo partner, I own a forum that is far more active than this one
What’s the forum?
-Tye

#20
Yesterday, 05:28 PM
Rat Finkenstein
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jskelton
I own a forum that is far more active than this one
What forum is that?

#21
Yesterday, 05:30 PM
jskelton
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lol, at least the mod team has a sense of humor
And see… it WAS a good “General Knife” topic
I’ll refrain from referring to that part of the human anatomy in the future…

#22
Yesterday, 05:36 PM
TKAZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Finkenstein
What forum is that?
I would also like to know…

#23
Yesterday, 05:38 PM
jskelton
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Sorry guys, I’m not here to advertise, and I don’t know how the staff feels about it anyway…
It was discussed however, on my big picture thread in the general knife forum….
>>Betterskills Note: Didn’t all of you lowlives read the bio of jskelton!?

#24
Yesterday, 05:39 PM
Codger_64
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SHADOW84
It was a joke…. lighten up dude
Dont!…. stare at Sharpphil’s evileye avatar while reading his posts! It is his subliminal mojo working on you making you take him too seriously.
Well, I don’t own any blackhawk knives, but I don’t own any cold steel knives either. All personal preference I suppose. BRL would tell you to buy the knife, not the hype. Many knife companies use creative advertising such as pigs, hot chicks, fast-moving-low-drag operators, etc. I find a lot of their antics hilarious, but it doesn’t make me want to buy their knives.
Forum rules are posted in stickys at the top of every forum and general rules on the main page. Most members read them. Some don’t. Read them. Rules differ from forum to forum here. You are now in the twilight zone.
Codger

#25
Yesterday, 05:44 PM
Doug C
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Originally Posted by Codger_64
fast-moving-low-drag operators,
HEY !
I know him !

#26
Yesterday, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug C
HEY !
I know him !
No you don’t. You just think you do. He only let’s you know what he wants you to know.

#27
Yesterday, 05:56 PM
1234
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jskelton
I own a forum that is far more active than this one
The stats ,,,
Yours
Quote:
Members: 21,006
Threads: 84,836
Posts: 1,312,533
BF
Quote:
Members: 152,052
Threads: 522,139
Posts: 6,466,168
BF wins !
1234,,,,,

#28
Yesterday, 05:58 PM
jill jackson
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Codger_64
Many knife companies use creative advertising such as pigs, hot chicks, fast-moving-low-drag operators, etc.
Codger
How about a slow- moving- low- drag operator?

#29
Yesterday, 06:06 PM
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This “jskelton” character reminds me of other dipshit trollish types from the past…

#30
Yesterday, 06:11 PM
1234
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LOL !
He´s famous !
1234,,,,,,

#31
Yesterday, 06:17 PM
Rat Finkenstein
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Originally Posted by jskelton
Sorry guys, I’m not here to advertise, and I don’t know how the staff feels about it anyway…
Translation: you are full of shit.

#32
Yesterday, 06:19 PM
TyMathews
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Originally Posted by 1234
The stats ,,,
Yours
BF
BF wins !
1234,,,,,

#33
Yesterday, 06:25 PM
jskelton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1234
The stats ,,,
Yours
BF
BF wins !
1234,,,,,
No, no one was talking about membership numbers. Try again.
Activity (topics and responses posted per day/week/month/year), and percentage of active members is far different from number of people who signed up, but add nothing to a forum.
Quote:
Originally Posted by babakanoosh45
This “jskelton” character reminds me of other dipshit trollish types from the past…
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Finkenstein
Translation: you are full of shit.
You 2 are classy individuals.

#34
Yesterday, 06:26 PM
Sharp Phil
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Hey, hey, now, let’s not get carried away. After all, he did inform us that this “isn’t his first rodeo.” Why, his forum has existed for a whole two years. What’s actual math among friends? If it’s “far more active,” and by “far more,” we mean, “less,” then he’s actually right, if you look at it from the correct angle.

#35
esterday, 06:38 PM
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If I had a better knife forum than BF, I would not have time for BF. I wonder why Mr. Skelton is here if his is so much better?

#36
Yesterday, 06:39 PM
Sharp Phil
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If I had a better knife forum than BF, I would not have time for BF. I wonder why Mr. Skelton is here if his is so much better?
Free advertising. Which he’s not doing. Even when he tells you where to find the thread that discusses the forum he’s not here to promote.

#37
Yesterday, 06:42 PM
BenLankford
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Calm down you guys. He has a watch forum that in a watch stand point is much much more active than bladeforums but then again his forum is called watchgeeks not bladeforums.

#38
Yesterday, 06:43 PM
Sharp Phil
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Originally Posted by BenLankford
….in a watch stand point is much much more active than bladeforums …
What does that even mean?
> Betterskills note: Ha, ha, ha – ‘watch geek’ is the worst description of an afficianato ever; it sounds like an out of touch copywriter came up with it. I’m suprised he didn’t just appropriate WIS.

#39
Yesterday, 06:44 PM
jskelton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharp Phil
Hey, hey, now, let’s not get carried away. After all, he did inform us that this “isn’t his first rodeo.” Why, his forum has existed for a whole two years. What’s actual math among friends? If it’s “far more active,” and by “far more,” we mean, “less,” then he’s actually right, if you look at it from the correct angle.
Yup, 2 whole years and has grown faster than every other forum that shares the same subject matter.
This of course after I founded another one 4 years before that, and before that was on the Admin team for the biggest in the world (at that time, it is no longer)… I go back a very long way. I wasn’t aware that my resume was required to post here.
Perhaps you should refrain from commenting about people that you do not know?
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj65
If I had a better knife forum than BF, I would not have time for BF. I wonder why Mr. Skelton is here if his is so much better?
I dunno, perhaps because I have more than one interest in my life? I collect knives as well, so I joined…. gasp…. a knife forum. I also collect cars, so guess what… I belong to some car forums too.
BTW: My forum is not a knife forum…. I’m not sure where you got that from.
> betterskills note: Jesus, his head is so far up his own ass that I’m having trouble breathing.

#40
Yesterday, 06:46 PM
Sharp Phil
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Yup, 2 whole years and has grown faster than every other forum that shares the same subject matter.
This of course after I founded another one 4 years before that, and before that was on the Admin team for the biggest in the world (at that time, it is no longer)… I go back a very long way. I wasn’t aware that my resime was required to post here.
Perhaps you should refrain from commenting about people that you do not know?
You are a douchebag.
Oh, sorry. I did it again.

#41
Yesterday, 06:48 PM
1234
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Go on ,,, !
1234,,,,,

#42
Yesterday, 06:51 PM
GWashington1732
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What does that even mean?
He means if you point your watch at the sun, read the time, divide by two, and multiply it by pie squared the radius of the watch then you’ll get a number with a repeating decimal which when multiplied by one hundred will give you a reading that shows that his forum has more activity than anyone else’s.
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#43
Yesterday, 06:51 PM
phaserrifle
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Originally Posted by Sharp Phil
Hey, hey, now, let’s not get carried away. After all, he did inform us that this “isn’t his first rodeo.” Why, his forum has existed for a whole two years. What’s actual math among friends? If it’s “far more active,” and by “far more,” we mean, “less,” then he’s actually right, if you look at it from the correct angle.
his could work out as more active (going by post numbers) if BF has been going 10 years or more, if we look at activeness as the average number of posts made per year.
since the copyright notice on the bottom of the page reads “© Copyright 1998-2007 BladeForums.com. All rights reserved.” I’m assuming BF first came into being in ’98 and so has been going 12 years (let’s say 11, as we are more or less at the start of the year, and it could have started in the end of ’98) we can say that by the average post count measure, his forum is more active.
however, this whole thing relies on both forums having a consistant number of posts. I suspect BF’s average post count per year has increased over time as more members join, and more people gain access to the internet.
so BF probably is more active, but the statistics could be interpreted to show that his is more active, you would need more info (historical post count records) to be sure.
and no, I can’t believe I was sad enough to go off and look at the maths that closely either. my only defence is that I’ve been revising the statistics techniques I need for my geography course, and so have numbers on the brain.

#44
Yesterday, 06:53 PM
babakanoosh45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jskelton
Yup, 2 whole years and has grown faster than every other forum that shares the same subject matter.
This of course after I founded another one 4 years before that, and before that was on the Admin team for the biggest in the world (at that time, it is no longer)… I go back a very long way. I wasn’t aware that my resume was required to post here.
Perhaps you should refrain from commenting about people that you do not know?
I dunno, perhaps because I have more than one interest in my life? I collect knives as well, so I joined…. gasp…. a knife forum. I also collect cars, so guess what… I belong to some car forums too.
BTW: My forum is not a knife forum…. I’m not sure where you got that from.
Then you would think you would know to read & abide by the forum rules when posting so you don’t end up getting you bullshit thread tossed into W&C for it’s content… Just sayin….
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#45
Yesterday, 06:53 PM
longbow
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Ah the Invicta watch man. I must say I do have an Invicta higher end watch. It is 6 years old and just last month quit running. Truthfully it ain’t a bad watch although my wife paid way to much for it when she bought it. As for BlackHawk products all are fine products, I have used a bunch of there stuff and it has always done what they said it would do so I am good by that. Mr. Janick is a very honorable gentleman too and stands behind his knives 100%. keepem sharp

#46
Yesterday, 06:54 PM
Sharp Phil
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Quote:
Originally Posted by phaserrifle
his could work out as more active (going by post numbers) if BF has been going 10 years or more, if we look at activeness as the average number of posts made per year.
If we go through those contortions, however, we should compare his forum to the numbers from Bladeforums’ first two years. A discussion forum has a life cycle as does any other website.

#47
Yesterday, 06:57 PM
Rat Finkenstein
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VS
Currently Active Users: 1254
Members: 152,061, Active Members: 16,120
Result: Diamond Jim is full of himself.
Apparently himself = shit.

#48
Yesterday, 06:57 PM
jskelton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharp Phil
You are a douchebag.
Oh, sorry. I did it again.
Nice.
At least I don’t film my cute videos in an unkempt basement bedroom with an unmade bed in the background.
I almost feel like I need a shower after watching the vids in your signature links.
Now that I fully understand the intellect I am dealing with, I’ll resist the urge to respond…

#49
Yesterday, 06:59 PM
Sharp Phil
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Originally Posted by jskelton
Nice.
At least I don’t film my cute videos in an unkempt basement bedroom with an unmade bed in the background.
I almost feel like I need a shower after watching the vids in your signature links.
Now that I fully understand the intellect I am dealing with, I’ll resist the urge to respond…
My mistake. You’re not a douchebag; you’re a dillhole. Here, let me illustrate that more thoroughly for you, out of respect for your superior intellect.

#50
Yesterday, 06:59 PM
jskelton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Finkenstein
Online Users: 311
Members: 21,012, Active Members: 6,817
VS
Currently Active Users: 1254
Members: 152,061, Active Members: 16,120
Result: Diamond Jim is full of himself.
Apparently himself = shit.
Apparently percentages would be a concept that completely eludes you….
Nice.

#51
Yesterday, 07:01 PM
Doug C
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You sound like just another blowhard to me.

#52
Yesterday, 07:01 PM
Sharp Phil
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jskelton
Apparently percentages would be a concept that completely eludes you….
You didn’t say your forum was proportionately more active than Bladeforums. You said simply that it was “more active.” Clearly, it isn’t.

#53
Yesterday, 07:03 PM
Rat Finkenstein
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jskelton
Apparently percentages would be a concept that completely eludes you….
Nice.
Percentage of people who think diamond Jim is a butthole: 100%

#54
Yesterday, 07:03 PM
TyMathews
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jskelton
Yup, 2 whole years and has grown faster than every other forum that shares the same subject matter.
This of course after I founded another one 4 years before that, and before that was on the Admin team for the biggest in the world (at that time, it is no longer)… I go back a very long way. I wasn’t aware that my resume was required to post here.
Perhaps you should refrain from commenting about people that you do not know?
I dunno, perhaps because I have more than one interest in my life? I collect knives as well, so I joined…. gasp…. a knife forum. I also collect cars, so guess what… I belong to some car forums too.
BTW: My forum is not a knife forum…. I’m not sure where you got that from.
I sure hope you don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back.
-Tye

#55
Yesterday, 07:03 PM
Codger_64
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I like watching chimps dance….
Dance chimp, dance!

#56
Yesterday, 07:04 PM
GWashington1732
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharp Phil
My mistake. You’re not a douchebag; you’re a dillhole. Here, let me illustrate that more thoroughly for you, out of respect for your superior intellect.
Watch out, he may be a certified super genius.
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#57
Yesterday, 07:11 PM
babakanoosh45
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Seems like a watch spammer to me???
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#58
Yesterday, 07:15 PM
phaserrifle
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharp Phil
If we go through those contortions, however, we should compare his forum to the numbers from Bladeforums’ first two years. A discussion forum has a life cycle as does any other website.
True (I think I aluded to the principle in a later part of my post) but he’s comparing his site’s current activeness to bladeforums now.
So even if BF was less active when it was two years old, it doesn’t make any difference.
The only real way to compare would be to have the historical data, and work out from that our current average post rate, and then do the same for the other site. But honestly, even if the data was available, who can be bothered? I know I can’t.
and I’m guessing that the lifecycle you mention will mean that bladeforums is significantly more active than his site, as we would have had far less than the current average in the first few years.

#59
Yesterday, 07:17 PM
Sharp Phil
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But mostly it’s a lot of complicated acrobatics to rationalize making a statement that’s just plain incorrect.

#60
Yesterday, 07:19 PM
1234
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Originally Posted by jskelton
I go back a very long way.
Le Google !
Jim Skelton/Corona Gorda
1234,,,,
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#61
Yesterday, 07:24 PM
Doug C
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Ha ha !
Good stuff, TEOL !!
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#62
Yesterday, 07:25 PM
1234
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Originally Posted by Doug C
Ha ha !
Good stuff, TEOL !!
Thanks DC !
1234,,,,

#63
Yesterday, 07:25 PM
Codger_64
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I hope he finally paid Bruce and Lindsey Storey back what he owed them.

#64
Yesterday, 07:26 PM
Sharp Phil
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Codger_64
I hope he finally paid Bruce and Lindsey Storey back what he owed them.
What’s that all about?

#65
Yesterday, 07:33 PM
1234
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Originally Posted by Sharp Phil
What’s that all about?
Post 60 .
1234,,,,

#66
Yesterday, 07:34 PM
Codger_64
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old news about dirty douchebag dealings on a cigar forum
http://lounge.cigarfamily.com/showthread.php?t=24123

#67
Yesterday, 07:39 PM
PG5768
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Apparently he’s a shill for Invicta watches who used to be on ShopNBC.
Link
He seems to have an unsavory reputation on some forums (watches, cigars).
Google the info that 1234 posted.
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#68
Yesterday, 07:40 PM
Rat Finkenstein
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He also copy and pasted this attention whoring penis/blackhawk thread on other forums.

#69
Yesterday, 07:43 PM
Sharp Phil
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My, my, my. It would seem Mr. Skelton has some skeltons in his closet. Er, skeletons.

#70
Yesterday, 07:48 PM
Codger_64
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Quote:
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My, my, my. It would seem Mr. Skelton has some skeltons in his closet. Er, skeletons.
“Grifter” is the term I keep seeing. Are any of you besides me and Phil old enough to remember that term?

#71
Yesterday, 07:54 PM
GWashington1732
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“Grifter” is the term I keep seeing. Are any of you besides me and Phil old enough to remember that term?
It’s still used, just not much.
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#72
Yesterday, 07:55 PM
babakanoosh45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Codger_64
“Grifter” is the term I keep seeing. Are any of you besides me and Phil old enough to remember that term?
Charlatan
Scammer
Ripoff artist
Swindler
Douche bag shitcock
jskelton
All the same….
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#73
Yesterday, 07:56 PM
phaserrifle
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharp Phil
But mostly it’s a lot of complicated acrobatics to rationalize making a statement that’s just plain incorrect.
well, as a scientifically minded person I would say something like “very probably incorrect” but past that….yes.
hitting the nail on the head is the phrase that springs to mind

#74
Yesterday, 07:56 PM
1234
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try again.
Don´t ask for it , ya fucking retard !
1234,,,,,
Last edited by 1234; Yesterday at 08:02 PM. Reason: Le Pic

#75
Yesterday, 08:09 PM
jskelton
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10 year old BS drama?
Next….
Well, if it’s on the internet, of course it must be true, right?
lol

#76
Yesterday, 08:19 PM
Sharp Phil
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So it never happened, Jim? A whole lot of people at that cigar forum seem to think it did.

#77
Yesterday, 08:27 PM
Codger_64
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Oh, it wasn’t one incident of him ripping fellow forumites for thousands. It was an ongoing pattern, evidently a lifestyle. Wanna buy a watch?

#78
Yesterday, 08:32 PM
Rat Finkenstein
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Once a douche, always a douche. No statute of limitations on a bad reputation.

#79
Yesterday, 08:35 PM
Doug C
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GWashington1732
It’s still used, just more so in nursing homes.
Fixed that for ya’ !

#80
Yesterday, 08:36 PM
jskelton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Codger_64
Oh, it wasn’t one incident of him ripping fellow forumites for thousands. It was an ongoing pattern, evidently a lifestyle. Wanna buy a watch?
Just like the other subject.. you guys aren’t aware of what you’re actually reading.
That topic on the watches was about people unhappy about how a certain watch was manufactured and marketed. Had nothing to do with me, I don’t make ’em. If you can make your way through that mess, you’ll see it was Eyal they were mad at (the owner of the watch brand), not me.
I do my job to the best of my abilities with the info provided to me by those who manufacture them… pure and simple. While I am fortunate enough to interact with millions each day for work (several thousand on a personal basis via email and internet forums), the flipside is that you’ll always have a small percentage that just don’t like you. Doesn’t faze me, it comes with the job, and I happily deal with it.

#81
Yesterday, 08:37 PM
Sharp Phil
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Originally Posted by jskelton
Just like the other subject.. you guys aren’t aware of what you’re actually reading.
That topic on the watches was about people unhappy about how a certain watch was manufactured and marketed. Had nothing to do with me, I don’t make ’em. If you can make your way through that mess, you’ll see it was Eyal they were mad at (the owner of the watch brand), not me.
I do my job to the best of my abilities with the info provided to me by those who manufacture them… pure and simple. While I am fortunate enough to interact with millions each day for work (several thousand on a personal basis via email and internet forums), the flipside is that you’ll always have a small percentage that just don’t like you. Doesn’t faze me, it comes with the job, and I happily deal with it.
It’s strange that all of these topics in which people allege you to be a person of low character have nothing to do with you.

#82
Yesterday, 08:41 PM
protourist
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Location: Up Drift Creek without a paddle
Posts: 5,296
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Originally Posted by Rat Finkenstein
Once a douche, always a douche. No statute of limitations on a bad reputation.
Reputation aside I’m willing to take him on face value for what he brings to our community.
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Originally Posted by jskelton
Wow… really?
Trolling? Hardly. It’s called h-u-m-o-r……….
Look it up
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Originally Posted by jskelton
Sorry, humor is subjective… that’s the point of it.
I’m glad you’re here to help me out, but it is a general knife topic, and not a complaint.
Not my 1st rodeo partner, I own a forum that is far more active than this one
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Originally Posted by jskelton
10 year old BS drama?
Next….
Well, if it’s on the internet, of course it must be true, right?
lol
Seems to me he brings a load of shit!
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#83
Yesterday, 08:42 PM
Sharp Phil
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Yeah, he’s really off to an awesome start.

#84
Yesterday, 08:43 PM
Kiah
Custom Kydex Sheath Systems/CKbK Moderator/Pirate
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 4,382
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#85
Yesterday, 08:45 PM
jskelton
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 73
Put yourself in a position like mine, and you’ll find that people come out of the woodwork to get a piece of you.
It is magnified by each level of success in the entertainment industry (I have friends whom are actors and renowned musicians), I am on the very low end of this scale in comparison to them, yet I still must deal with this because I am in the public eye.
It is part of the job, and we must simply deal with it. The good news is that for each of the few detractors I have (or at least know about), I am thankful to have thousands more who think of me in a positive manner. I am fortunate to broadcast to millions and I enjoy the times when I am able to communicate with them directly… this is why most of the negativity, lies, and half-truths that spread around don’t bother me much anymore.

#86
Yesterday, 08:45 PM
J.Mattson
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 1,307



Quote:
Originally Posted by jskelton
Just like the other subject.. you guys aren’t aware of what you’re actually reading.
That topic on the watches was about people unhappy about how a certain watch was manufactured and marketed. Had nothing to do with me, I don’t make ’em. If you can make your way through that mess, you’ll see it was Eyal they were mad at (the owner of the watch brand), not me.
I do my job to the best of my abilities with the info provided to me by those who manufacture them… pure and simple. While I am fortunate enough to interact with millions each day for work (several thousand on a personal basis via email and internet forums), the flipside is that you’ll always have a small percentage that just don’t like you. Doesn’t faze me, it comes with the job, and I happily deal with it.



Ah hell I give up.
Jskelton

#87
Yesterday, 08:46 PM
Sharp Phil
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 7,340
Quote:
Originally Posted by jskelton
Put yourself in a position like mine, and you’ll find that people come out of the woodwork to get a piece of you.
It is magnified by each level of success in the entertainment industry (I have friends whom are actors and renowned musicians), I am on the very low end of this scale in comparison to them, yet I still must deal with this because I am in the public eye.
It is part of the job, and we must simply deal with it. The good news is that for each of the few detractors I have (or at least know about), I am thankful to have thousands more who think of me in a positive manner. I am fortunate to broadcast to millions and I enjoy the times when I am able to communicate with them directly… this is why most of the negativity, lies, and half-truths that spread around don’t bother me much anymore.
In my case, I had never heard of you before today. You posted a bullshit, trolling thread in General. I very politely told you that it looked like that. You responded by telling us all how awesome you are and generally acting like a piece of shit.
Seems to me people “crawl out of the woodwork” to tell you that you’re a jerk because you are one.

#88
Yesterday, 08:47 PM
jskelton
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 73
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Originally Posted by Sharp Phil
Yeah, he’s really off to an awesome start.
Actually, aside from this one single topic, I have enjoyed all of my interactions here. I have done some business with members, retailers, and spent some time posting fun and respectful messages since I first got here.
I have gotten along wonderfully with everyone else on the forum.

#89
Yesterday, 08:48 PM
1234
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Originally Posted by jskelton
Put yourself in a position like mine
1234,,,,

#90
Yesterday, 08:49 PM
Sharp Phil
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Originally Posted by jskelton
Actually, aside from this one single topic, I have enjoyed all of my interactions here. I have done some business with members, retailers, and spent some time posting fun and respectful messages since I first got here.
I have gotten along wonderfully with everyone else on the forum.
I don’t want to shock you, or anything, Jim, but that has changed.

#91
Yesterday, 08:50 PM
Kiah
Custom Kydex Sheath Systems/CKbK Moderator/Pirate
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 4,382
Quote:
Originally Posted by jskelton
Put yourself in a position like mine, and you’ll find that people come out of the woodwork to get a piece of you.
It is magnified by each level of success in the entertainment industry (I have friends whom are actors and renowned musicians), I am on the very low end of this scale in comparison to them, yet I still must deal with this because I am in the public eye.
It is part of the job, and we must simply deal with it. The good news is that for each of the few detractors I have (or at least know about), I am thankful to have thousands more who think of me in a positive manner. I am fortunate to broadcast to millions and I enjoy the times when I am able to communicate with them directly… this is why most of the negativity, lies, and half-truths that spread around don’t bother me much anymore.
Good attitude IMO. I don’t watch TV or wear a watch, so I have no clue who you are other than the current target of opportunity in W&C. Shrug it off I say.
You’re pretty damn good with a camera by the way.
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#92
Yesterday, 08:55 PM
never too sharp
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: WNY
Posts: 2,200
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Originally Posted by jskelton
… the flipside is that you’ll always have a small percentage that just don’t like you…
That percentage seems to be growing all the time.
#93
Yesterday, 08:57 PM
gajinoz
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Location: South East corner of Oz
Posts: 9,105
I have no idea who this person is either. I can only judge by what I see here on the forum. Unfortunately this tends to suggest that he’s a bit of a narcissistic clown with a wildly inflated opinion of his own worth. Very easily ignored, which is what I plan to do.
I’m sure that will suit both of us.
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#94
Yesterday, 08:57 PM
Doug C
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Put yourself in a position like mine,
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#95
Yesterday, 09:00 PM
emperorwang
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I was willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt until I read the cigar forum stuff, and comments on his youtube videos. People who claim to know him personally, or at least have interacted with him, are making some very serious allegations about his character. And it’s a variety of people making these allegations. I make no verdict, but this definitely raises red flags in my book.
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#96
Yesterday, 09:09 PM
Doug C
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#97
Yesterday, 10:28 PM
jack lowe
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[quote=jskelton;7953463][Put yourself in a position like mine,] but i don’t want to bend over and grab my ankles!

#98
Yesterday, 10:42 PM
Esav Benyamin
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Originally Posted by Doug C
Not even close. As Kiah said, he’s only the current target of opportunity in W&C. Any actual problems on BF have been extremely minor.
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Originally Posted by Kiah
That’s not a dogpile. That’s naptime.
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#99
Today, 12:32 AM
cj65
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Posts: 3,364
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Originally Posted by jskelton
Yup, 2 whole years and has grown faster than every other forum that shares the same subject matter.
This of course after I founded another one 4 years before that, and before that was on the Admin team for the biggest in the world (at that time, it is no longer)… I go back a very long way. I wasn’t aware that my resume was required to post here.
Perhaps you should refrain from commenting about people that you do not know?
I dunno, perhaps because I have more than one interest in my life? I collect knives as well, so I joined…. gasp…. a knife forum. I also collect cars, so guess what… I belong to some car forums too.
BTW: My forum is not a knife forum…. I’m not sure where you got that from.
I got that impression since you referenced your forum in General KNIFE forum. My deductive powers have waned.
I am happy for you and your various forum memberships. I perceive you to be quite the Renaissance man. I did not know there was a Pacer/Gremlin Car Forum, but I guess the internet has something for all. Maybe Charlie Mike can feature his Rolex on your watch forum. Congratulations Mr. Poly-forumite, you almost made me use my first jerk it smiley. However, I refrain….